Why Rev. Wright (and other Black (Nationalist) preachers) carry on so...

al Asaad · 04-05-2008, 03:32 AM

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Defining “White Privilege”
by Kendall Clark
WhitePrivilege.com » Defining “White Privilege”
white privilege, a social relation
1. a. A right, advantage, or immunity granted to or enjoyed by white persons beyond the common advantage of all others; an exemption in many particular cases from certain burdens or liabilities.
b. A special advantage or benefit of white persons; with reference to divine dispensations, natural advantages, gifts of fortune, genetic endowments, social relations, etc.

2. A privileged position; the possession of an advantage white persons enjoy over non–white persons.

3. a. The special right or immunity attaching to white persons as a social relation; prerogative.
b. display of white privilege, a social expression of a white person or persons demanding to be treated as a member or members of the socially privileged class.

4. a. To invest white persons with a privilege or privileges; to grant to white persons a particular right or immunity; to benefit or favor specially white persons; to invest white persons with special honorable distinctions.
b. To avail oneself of a privilege owing to one as a white person.

5. To authorize or license of white person or persons what is forbidden or wrong for non–whites; to justify, excuse.

6. To give to white persons special freedom or immunity from some liability or burden to which non–white persons are subject; to exempt.

As in there not being a social construct known as:
DWW ("driving while white"); as opposed to DWB
("driving while Black").

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Why is it important to define “white privilege” so carefully? Because, in part, many people want to deny that it exists at all, especially in response to other people’s assertions that it is at work in some particular situation, that it exists unjustly and so should be dismantled. This pattern of assertion and denial is itself racialized: for the most part, people of color say white people enjoy white privilege, while white people for the most part deny not only that they have it, but that such a thing even exists.
I have been assured countless times by white people that there is no such thing as white privilege and that the very idea (of “white privilege”) is nonsensical.

Which is precisely why Rev. Wright (and thousands of other Black (Nationalist) preachers carry on so.

disfigured · 04-05-2008, 05:27 AM

To me it's all the same.

Each message to get people to come into a building and put money in your pocket is just that. That's all it is.

Whether it's ranting against white authority to blacks. Or telling people you'll have everlasting life if your drink a symbolic cup of blood every Sunday.

Most of it is lies and some half truths or down right fantasy. It's the selling of it that is the buisness.

People fall for it, as did Obama, as do millions each Sunday. Some take it more seriously then others, while some just show up and enjoy the social aspects of these "religions".

We've gotten to the point where a candidate can't say "I don't give a shit either way about religion", so now he can be held accountable for every one of these flimflam men they've associated themselves with over the years.

Whether conscious or not they're all selling something, whether it's to "fight the power" or the "everlasting covenent".

What's the difference between Wright and some nut shouting in the street about how the white man has been keeping him down?

Money. One makes money and a living doing it, the other does not.

To tell you the truth at least Wright's message is grounded in some sort of truth. While most others are just promises that can never be kept for adherence to ritual.

BillCosby · 04-05-2008, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by disfigured

Most of it is lies and some half truths or down right fantasy. It's the selling of it that is the buisness.

People fall for it, as did Obama, as do millions each Sunday. Some take it more seriously then others, while some just show up and enjoy the social aspects of these "religions".

We've gotten to the point where a candidate can't say "I don't give a shit either way about religion", so now he can be held accountable for every one of these flimflam men they've associated themselves with over the years.

Whether conscious or not they're all selling something, whether it's to "fight the power" or the "everlasting covenent".

What's the difference between Wright and some nut shouting in the street about how the white man has been keeping him down?

Money. One makes money and a living doing it, the other does not.

To tell you the truth at least Wright's message is grounded in some sort of truth. While most others are just promises that can never be kept for adherence to ritual.

I don't necessarily agree that he is selling something here......... In order for me to sell you something would it not need to be something you don't already have & need or want or want or need more of...????

THis is preaching to the choir...IMO & this is not all he preached about all those years. He does not need to sell his parishioners on this. Hell they have been there..... THey are living it.........

Veronica · 04-05-2008, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BillCosby

I don't necessarily agree that he is selling something here......... In order for me to sell you something would it not need to be something you don't already have & need or want or want or need more of...????

THis is preaching to the choir...IMO & this is not all he preached about all those years. He does not need to sell his parishioners on this. Hell they have been there..... THey are living it.........

Agreed. I listened to the 10 min. clip of the chickens are coming home to roost, and he was quoting a white man. It was very clear to the parishoners that it was a side note. I am not black but do not disagree with everything Rev. Wright said. I completely understand why some would think AIDS was invented by man and given to the black man. My own father who is an ex-marine, believes that gays in the military were given AIDS during Vietnam. He is not black.

BillCosby · 04-05-2008, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Veronica

Agreed. I listened to the 10 min. clip of the chickens are coming home to roost, and he was quoting a white man. It was very clear to the parishoners that it was a side note. I am not black but do not disagree with everything Rev. Wright said. I completely understand why some would think AIDS was invented by man and given to the black man. My own father who is an ex-marine, believes that gays in the military were given AIDS during Vietnam. He is not black.

IMO ppl need to understand that others w/ different experiences can see things differently & come to different conclusions on somethings...... Various opinions is a good thing. We don't all have to agree........

I think most ppl would understand that "native Americans" could have a few different interpretations than the one we were taught in school.... Or even Japanese Americans etc............

Is it unreasonable for ppl that have been enslaved, suffered under jim crow & still suffer to this very day to not see things exactly like others in this society...???

Do Armenian TUrks see Turkish history the same as most of the "other" Turkish citizens???

Do the Mayan Mexicans or the Mayan Guatemalans see history the same as the "other" citizens in those countries?? Tibetans & Hans?? Non-Muslims in Muslim states???

Kanadesaga · 04-05-2008, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by al Asaad

As in there not being a social construct known as:
DWW ("driving while white"); as opposed to DWB
("driving while Black").

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Obviously, you've never been a deadhead on the way to a concert in a microbus along the New York State Thruway in 1973.

Veronica · 04-05-2008, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BillCosby

IMO ppl need to understand that others w/ different experiences can see things differently & come to different conclusions on somethings...... Various opinions is a good thing. We don't all have to agree........

I think most ppl would understand that "native Americans" could have a few different interpretations than the one we were taught in school.... Or even Japanese Americans etc............

Is it unreasonable for ppl that have been enslaved, suffered under jim crow & still suffer to this very day to not see things exactly like others in this society...???

Do Armenian TUrks see Turkish history the same as most of the "other" Turkish citizens???

Do the Mayan Mexicans or the Mayan Guatemalans see history the same as the "other" citizens in those countries?? Tibetans & Hans?? Non-Muslims in Muslim states???

Exactly, this is almost like the right brain/left brain test that was on this site for a long time. People see and hear things with everything they have experienced as a navigator to their opinions.

BillCosby · 04-05-2008, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Veronica

Exactly, this is almost like the right brain/left brain test that was on this site for a long time. People see and hear things with everything they have experienced as a navigator to their opinions.

Yep..............

& it is sadly those very same building blocks that governments & advertisers can use to manipulate us & distort our perceptions of events, history & perhaps betray our own best interests..........

disfigured · 04-06-2008, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BillCosby

I don't necessarily agree that he is selling something here......... .

Well if he's not selling something then how's he accumulating vast wealth?

Hey I don't begrudge him a penny. If he can get a bunch of fools to line up in the pews and cough up what little money they have because he can spew a good rant,all the more power to him.

There's a bit of truth or sometimes all truth in any sales pitch. Whether or not enough suckers are willing to buy is the true test of the salesman.

The product is irrelevent especially when we're talking about religions. Ever lasting life or down with whitey, it's all the same to me.

I don't hold Wright any more resoponsible for what he says then any other "preacher". If I did I'd have to question the ability for most churches to prove they've led people to an afterlife. That's a can of worms most don't have the sack to confront.

So, as I started out saying: It's all the same to me.

BillCosby · 04-06-2008, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by disfigured

Well if he's not selling something then how's he accumulating vast wealth?

Hey I don't begrudge him a penny. If he can get a bunch of fools to line up in the pews and cough up what little money they have because he can spew a good rant,all the more power to him.

There's a bit of truth or sometimes all truth in any sales pitch. Whether or not enough suckers are willing to buy is the true test of the salesman.

The product is irrelevent especially when we're talking about religions. Ever lasting life or down with whitey, it's all the same to me.

I don't hold Wright any more resoponsible for what he says then any other "preacher". If I did I'd have to question the ability for most churches to prove they've led people to an afterlife. That's a can of worms most don't have the sack to confront.

So, as I started out saying: It's all the same to me.

I don't know that he has vast wealth.............. Just how much wealth is vast wealth??? Not that that is an issue but just a little toss in to cast a shadow.........????

I already said what I had to say as did you.............. IMO little if anything that he said came as "news" to anyone sitting there.....

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