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Old 04-27-2008, 03:14 AM   #121 (permalink)
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Yeah, but the funny thing is, those pissed-off Obama supporter that would be "rioting" are the ones with an abject fear and ignorance of firearms.
You're missing the subtle racism of both rush and tex here. why all da brothers be bringin' gatts, you know, strapped mofo! What I find funny is how these rubes explain how all those uneducated, unemployed black men are somehow going to show up in Denver and riot. Or will the blacks of Denver symbollically riot for the nation, considering the cost of gas and all?

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Those of us who would quell the civil insurrection are quite the opposite. Kinda hard to "start the revolution" when you have legislated the very tools to do so out of your own hands, right? Sillyness. Your progressive ideas, and disenfranchised feelings are useless against 5.56mm full metal jacketed rounds.
My question to you is why are you firing on your citizenry, when the government is the one who needs a little bloodletting?


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That's what's always confused me about the liberals hatred of guns. And that's why I've always felt much more libertarian in that aspect. Our founding fathers gave us this ability to defend against a corrupt government, and the most outspoken activists on this matter also advocate the disarmament of the populace,to ensure that the government they don't trust, or even like, will always be able to have their way with them. Don't you agree?
It doesn't really matter, no one person can stand successfully against the police, much less any military presence. All it means is that you'll go down fighting instead of running. Dead is dead.
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Old 04-27-2008, 03:38 AM   #122 (permalink)
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As if a modern day corrupt government would be coming after us with 1776 technology and all we have to do is get our rifles and meet down at the town hall at midnight....

Have you seen any of the technology they are using in Iraq? Armed drones, inferred night vision, laser guidance systems. Oh, but not even a [/size][/font][/size]corrupt government would use those weapons on Americans, those weapons were built for terrorists!

Oh yeah, that 5.56mm full metal jacketed round gonna keep the government in line alright.


Iraq is a bad example. The United States walked in with vastly superior firepower, and they ended up being bogged down by a well armed citizenry for 5+ years and counting. I like to think that American insurgents could do an even better job than their third world counterparts in terms of fighting a superior force. Sure Americans are for the most part domesticated consumers, but there are still people out there who are willing and able to put everything on the line to fight a government thats gone too far.

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Old 04-27-2008, 07:18 AM   #123 (permalink)
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I'll excuse your lack of knowledge concerning the poster who calls himself "bornright."
Elsewhere, you gave me the benefit of the doubt for not being a racist, since a question I asked wasn't inherently racist.

A tried 'n true rejoinder, ironically, is 'Mighty white of you.'




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He was well known at HBO/RT as a shit stirrer and racist who engaged in stalking and once told me that being gay made my existence superfluous since I would never reproduce and not contribute to the continuation of the human species.
A dreadful thing to say, to be sure. And I'm supposed to know he said that, how...and I'm supposed to believe you, why?

Here's a heads-up for ya, though, 'cuz it's a super-important thing to bear in mind.

Superfluous: unnecessary especially more than enough.

We are ALL superfluous, outside of the insignifcant-in-the-scheme-of-things circle that we are vain enough to imagine couldn't go on living without us.

Relatively short, relatively insignificant lives and we elect to use them up voicing toothless objections and mounting insipid opposition to people who would positively FLEE from mass protest and to policies that could be burned like so much devalued money...why?

I have had a revelation, perhaps an epiphany. [This is where you come up with a razor-sharp remark about GW and I sharing the delusion that we are struck by revelations and epiphanies.]

In the same way that the antiquated, inefficient, bloated, unwieldy bureaucracy that is our federal government generates and perpetuates need of its own services, in the same way that proactive strong-arm military and law enforcement activity generates and perpetuates need of its own services, the Lifetime Activism Class generates and perpetuates need of its own services.




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He's a bigot, a moron and an all around asswipe who assumes sock puppets when it suits his purpose. He isn't "the opposition", he's a troll.
I'll keep an eye out for it. But since you're gonna be all free and easy about passing judgment, however benign, upon my remarks before deigning to reply...a Strategery for subliminally establishing superiority, another debate technique that you can go ahead and drop...my jury is out on whether your expressed mission and your actual agenda are in alignment.

I don't know whether you are oh-so-pro-O or whether you are so many notes wafting from the finely tuned instrument that is being played melodically by neoconservative influences who, unexpectedly, spy an opportunity to retain control of the White House. I don't know you from fucking Adam, just like I don't know Barack Obama from fucking Adam.

I know this, however. An Obama Maniac talking about sock puppets is a textbook case of the pot calling the kettle black.




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Now, as for stormfront.org? You connect yourself directly to impausibleendeavors.com and yet you expect me to believe you don't know what stormfront is all about?
I connect myself directly to implausibleendeavors.com? And you're calling other people morons? I AM implausibleendeavors.com. You'll want, therefore, to be careful how you answer the next question I ask.

Implausible Endeavors LLC is a limited liability corporation, a business, registered with the state of California, trademark pending, and protected by all commercial Law.

I am the sole partner. I'll be the first to grant that a partnership of one seems screwy, but I don't make those rules. I AM a partnership of one, in part to demonstrate how screwy the rules are.

However, comma, I will argue that willfully falsely impugning the character of implausibleendeavors.com, therefore of Implausible Endeavors, therefore of me is libelous...libel being false and malicious WRITTEN statements that impugn the character, whereas slander are false and malicious spoken statements that do the same.

I sense it will be not nefarious neoconservatives who operate pretty much in plain sight...see the prominent journalistic appointment of Karl Rove...but hysterical Democrats who will prompt a national dialogue on the perameters of ANONYMOUS free speech, which will raise for average online Americans the specter of being tracked down by their IP addresses. Well done.

Here's your question: How does my connection to implausibleendeavors.com imply that I, as you unmistakably suggest, "know what stormfront is all about"?




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Please, if you're going to feign ignorance of a topic, try a little harder.
I will remind you that Obama Maniacs in residence have been generous in labeling me idiotic, moronic and clueless. But, now, when it suits your purpose, I know everything about everything?



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You and I both know it's a haven for racists and xenophobes who disguise themselves as patriots, when in reality the only "democracy" they believe in is for the white race.
You, sir, don't know what I know. You know what YOU know, and you know what you wanna believe. But tell me, how is it that YOU are so well-acquainted with stormfront when, for those outside your circle jerk you CLEARLY present that acquaintance with stormfront is a bad thing?

The only man I have ever met who identified himself as a stormfront member...in Iowa, incidentally...WAS white. However, while he DID say that they are 20 million strong, worldwide, and while he DID say that they'd be voting in small numbers for Ron Paul but, in large numbers, staying home to clean their weapons, he did NOT betray racism. The anger and contempt expressed to me were directed not at blacks but at the BULLSHIT that abounds and at George Bush in particular who, he declared his/their belief to be, has sold America down the river.




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There are links there to Christain identity sites.
You, apparently, would know.

I will advise Obama Maniacs and all Democratic Die-Hards that vilifying Christianity wholesale...as you do when you say "there are links to Christian identity sites' like it's the kiss of death...does not serve the cause of taking back the White House.

Christians must be challenged to live up to their Christian beliefs, not crucified for holding them.




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Are you defending them?
Nope.

That I defend the least among us is amply evident in the body of my work, not that Obama Maniacs can be expected to be objective...they are too emotional to be objective. I champion Reason and Justice in the governance of America and I promote the rigorous prosecution of Clorox-white collared criminals who are undermining both.




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If it's a matter of free speech, I would agree that shutting down hate speech is unconstitutional.
Me, I thought Hate Speech is NOT protected by First Amendment law.




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However, your implication that my suggestion that Cowpoke hit the road and go join a site more in tune with his view of the world is a direct threat to free speech is both fatuous and immature,
I didn't imply that your suggestion that Cowpoke hit the road and go join a site more in tune with his view of the world is a direct threat to free speech.

I say, outright, that Obama Maniacs demonstrate an abiding tendency to deflect hard questions by denigrating anyone who has the audacity to ask them. [PITS Demo spiel about lapel pins goes here.]




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ironically characteristics you glibly assign to anybody not kissing the toes of Queen Hillary as you do.
I defy you to produce any links whereby I kiss the toes of Queen Hillary. Failure to do so will point to the same absence of truthfulness that Obama Maniacs are certain afflicts everyone but themselves.




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Your arguments are disingenuous, your manner is smug and your prose is worse.
Disingenuous: not candid or sincere.

Generally, I am thought to be TOO candid. I am not only sincere, I am consistent, in calling a spade a spade. Lemme guess, that age-old expression has been deemed to be racist and removed from dictionaries of colloquialisms.

My prose are worse? You are in rarified company in thinking so but, then, there has never been an accounting for taste.

Glib: fluent and voluble but insincere and shallow.

The glib response would be 'At least I know to break compositions into paragraphs out of consideration for the reader if not also for the better organization and presentation of material.'

That would, indeed, be shallow...you know why? It is obvious that a person with your mastery of language and your political and online savvy would KNOW about the importance of paragraph breaks.

Endeavoring NOT to be shallow, I am obliged to consider WHY an obviously skilled writer bunches up his text like that, so it is difficult to read. And then I thought of a reason. Bunching up text into a virtual eye test likely limits most readership to the first sentence and the last...i.e. your talking points.

Speaking of, have you ever answered the question as to whether you are presently paid by any candidate, campaign, party or politician?
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Old 04-27-2008, 09:55 AM   #124 (permalink)
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Iraq is a bad example. The United States walked in with vastly superior firepower, and they ended up being bogged down by a well armed citizenry for 5+ years and counting. I like to think that American insurgents could do an even better job than their third world counterparts in terms of fighting a superior force. Sure Americans are for the most part domesticated consumers, but there are still people out there who are willing and able to put everything on the line to fight a government thats gone too far.
Iraq is a bad example, but not in the way you mean. You say we walked in with vastly superior firepower... that is true. But we were bogged down by our president refusing to see the reality of the situation. Or worse yet, seeing the reality and not caring, putting no-bid profit above the lives of American troops.

But that's not my point. My point is that Americans civilians would be bowled over faster than Iraqis simply because of the fire power that is so easily accessible there. The middle east has had over 50 years of illegal arms sales for the locals to draw from. Where in the U.S. can you get your hands on an RPG? I guarantee you there are teenagers walking around with them in Iraq and a lot of places in Africa.

Ok, this thread has passed my stupid threshold. Arguing who better to fight a military force using basically sticks and stones, that's where I draw the line.
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Old 04-27-2008, 10:26 AM   #125 (permalink)
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Again, you miss the mark. I'm not anti-war, I'm anti-stupid-wars. And Iraq is the biggest foreign policy blunder in the history of the United States. Also I'm not anti-violence. I would love to see cheney swinging on a rope. Hell I'd string him up myself given the chance, but unnecessary death pisses me off.

Such a man of courage you are. It does not matter what the real truth is in regarding Iraq or even Cheney. You just want to kill him because MSNBC told you he was evil and the war is wrong. It is good to know that people such as yourself are "just talk".
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My question to you is why are you firing on your citizenry, when the government is the one who needs a little bloodletting?

Such a patriot you are.....for who I am not exactly sure.
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Old 04-27-2008, 10:46 AM   #127 (permalink)
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Such a patriot you are.....for who I am not exactly sure.
He's a better American than you.
Discerning between the right and wrong your country does, is the mark of a patriotic citizen. Trying to keep your countries actions right and noble is what an American is supposed to do.

You're just a homer. If you'd have been born in Russia, you'd be calling dissenters Capitalist lackeys. If you'd been born in Iraq you'd be calling for death to the American infidels.

You'd be an angry government apologist, no matter where you were from. You not only don't understand what it means to be American, you don't care.

You're a patriot the way Chauvin was a patriot.
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Old 04-27-2008, 01:22 PM   #128 (permalink)
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He's a better American than you.
Discerning between the right and wrong your country does, is the mark of a patriotic citizen. Trying to keep your countries actions right and noble is what an American is supposed to do.

You're just a homer. If you'd have been born in Russia, you'd be calling dissenters Capitalist lackeys. If you'd been born in Iraq you'd be calling for death to the American infidels.

You'd be an angry government apologist, no matter where you were from. You not only don't understand what it means to be American, you don't care.

You're a patriot the way Chauvin was a patriot.


Excellent post.

Too bad there isn't a chance in hell of BornRight understanding any of it. Also an unfortunate part of being a homer.
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Old 04-27-2008, 01:29 PM   #129 (permalink)
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Guess we know where you got your riot fantasy now, eh Tex?


Wonder if the F.C.C. knows that hate speech of Rush's, should be classified as porno for guys like you?

Rush is not "hate speech" not even close. You give him far more credit than he deserves.
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Old 04-27-2008, 02:26 PM   #130 (permalink)
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Iraq is a bad example. The United States walked in with vastly superior firepower, and they ended up being bogged down by a well armed citizenry for 5+ years and counting. I like to think that American insurgents could do an even better job than their third world counterparts in terms of fighting a superior force. Sure Americans are for the most part domesticated consumers, but there are still people out there who are willing and able to put everything on the line to fight a government thats gone too far.
Not to mention those American military personelle who might just tell the government to go f' themselves when given the order to attack American citizens. Also not to mention that the White House and Capital Bldg are much more accessable to American 'insurgents' than to Iraqis.

Straight up the fact that millions of Americans are armed is a great deterrent in D.C.'s madder factions. Correlates to M.A.D., as exampled by crime rates dropping in states with concealment permits.

Historically, bad governments have sought to disarm it's citizenry. True liberalism is the empowerment of the citizens over the oppressiveness nature inherrent in any government system. Disarming the citizenry is shifting that control and thus more a NeoCon type agenda, IMHO.

It is another example of the us vs themism starting to predominate American society. It's culminating in abusive police precedures, distancing of the government from it's people, rampant corporatism, and an increasingly growing non-voting population in America.
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