Supreme Court Gives Republicans a Boost - Page 3

guest1234567 · 04-30-2008, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ibex

You might want to consider the broader implications of this. Most states have an unenforceable law that requires every person to carry a state ID of some type in public, but the local authorities have too much else to worry about to bother with it. Is this SCOTUS decision another step towards a national ID? A scary concept that's been kicked around for years and even one that I'd venture to guess the GOP's embattled libertarian wing would vehemently oppose.

The national ID, or REAL id, was passed when we went to war in Iraq. It was part of the second funding bill, I think. I wrote to Diane Fiensten and she wrote back saying she hated the addition of that act but had to vote for the funding.

So now, it's almost time for the feds to enforce the rules and some states are fighting back. Some are fighting back because its another unfunded mandate by the feds and others are fighting back because they don't like the concept of a national id in the first place. I'm kind of sure there are about 4-6 months left before enforcement takes place and that may mean that a lot of Americans who live in these states will be unable to board an airplane or even enter a federal building without a state ID that meets the requirements that were set.

babylonDon · 04-30-2008, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rigged

HOW?!?!

People cannot function in todays society without a photo ID, you can't a job without a photo ID. Are you talking about schizophrenics that live on the street? I don't really think they are registered lol.

So far no one has answer this, they just keep repeating the same talking-point I hear all the time. I don't see how requiring a person to identify themselves is fascist or disenfranchisement. It could be benifical because it would encourage people to get a state ID.

Yeah. LOL.

I won't do the research for you. Look up how many people lost their homes in the last seven years, do you figure they're all schizophrenic?

13% of the workforce is without jobs. How many more are a paycheck away from homelessness? You cannot apply for or renew a state ID without a permanent address. No church, no shelter, no former address is allowed. If you don't have the three forms of ID needed to procure a state ID, or you can't take the several hours off of work to sit in the DMV, you don't get to vote. Or if you can't spare the money.

A state government, should not be allowed to (essentially) tax people for the right to vote in a national election.

guest1234567 · 04-30-2008, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by leftparadise

do you know what it costs to get an official copy of your birth certificate (in order to get the "free" state id) ? figured for inflation its more than the poll taxes the south used to use to prevent blacks from voting 100 years ago. that's progress for you.

Well they give them out free to everyone when they are born. And if you lose it, like I did once, it was something like 10 bucks. But regardless, people need ID to get a job or to apply for government assistance.

Also, people can vote by mail. There wouldn't be any ID required then. And before people say the poor can't afford a stamp I've said before that absentee ballots should be free of charge to mail.

guest1234567 · 04-30-2008, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Kanadesaga

It would behoove the gov't that if they require an ID to vote that they provide an acceptable ID when a person registers to vote. Here in my part of NY, our signatures are compared, very old school. It's been so long but I am sure I showed ID at some point?

When I lived in NY, they did the same thing; but that was 30 years ago.

Rigged · 04-30-2008, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by babylonDon

Yeah. LOL.

I won't do the research for you. Look up how many people lost their homes in the last seven years, do you figure they're all schizophrenic?

No that is not what I said, and the comment was made in jest.

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13% of the workforce is without jobs. How many more are a paycheck away from homelessness? You cannot apply for or renew a state ID without a permanent address. No church, no shelter, no former address is allowed. If you don't have the three forms of ID needed to procure a state ID, or you can't take the several hours off of work to sit in the DMV, you don't get to vote. Or if you can't spare the money.

And none of these people who get unemployment checks have a photo ID? Yea, right.
Look, I understand your point here, but it just doesn't carry any validity. People with WIC cards require photo ID to apply for welfare or TANIF. Anytime you apply for ANY government program you need ID. There is no reason to not require it to vote. I see it as a voter fraud measure which if you have been watching the last two election was going on under everyones nose. Dead people, convicts, people voting twice...

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A state government, should not be allowed to (essentially) tax people for the right to vote in a national election.

That I agree with but you need it anyways so all people are doing is making excuses. It seems fishy to me.

Rigged · 04-30-2008, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by guest1234567

Well they give them out free to everyone when they are born. And if you lose it, like I did once, it was something like 10 bucks. But regardless, people need ID to get a job or to apply for government assistance.

Also, people can vote by mail. There wouldn't be any ID required then. And before people say the poor can't afford a stamp I've said before that absentee ballots should be free of charge to mail.

Exactly, its ridiculous excuse and it makes no sense. They just don't want to close an avenue that has been used to defraud the system.

babylonDon · 04-30-2008, 10:06 AM

Yeah, those poor folks are a crafty lot.

And it sure is super that you can be so understanding of the SC ruling on this, what with you being an Obama supporter and all.

A couple of points, for clarity's sake 13% is the number of people in the workforce who are unemployed, not the ones collecting unemployment.

How does a person with no fixed address receive a mail-in ballot?

guest1234567 · 04-30-2008, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by babylonDon

Yeah, those poor folks are a crafty lot.

And it sure is super that you can be so understanding of the SC ruling on this, what with you being an Obama supporter and all.

A couple of points, for clarity's sake 13% is the number of people in the workforce who are unemployed, not the ones collecting unemployment.

How does a person with no fixed address receive a mail-in ballot?

Don, the same question could be asked, how does a person with no fixed address get assigned a polling place?

babylonDon · 04-30-2008, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by guest1234567

Don, the same question could be asked, how does a person with no fixed address get assigned a polling place?

Got me there.

I guess poor people shouldn't vote. It's the only way to keep them from their sneaky manipulation of the electoral system.

guest1234567 · 04-30-2008, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by babylonDon

Got me there.

I guess poor people shouldn't vote. It's the only way to keep them from their sneaky manipulation of the electoral system.

Don, not all poor people are homeless. I would go so far as to say that most poor people have homes. Resourceful people will always find a way to accomplish their goals. I myself have "borrowed" a friend's address before so that my mail would be forwarded.

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