Originally Posted by Dr. Zaius

I didn't....but you are the one who is suggesting the German people were just bad people in General.

Originally Posted by DRS112

It sure came off that way...

Originally Posted by Dr. Zaius

I said "If you actualy want to look" and I was speaking in general for everyone.

Originally Posted by DRS112

can't sleep....

alright...two things...you're right..he wasn't Elected...I misspoke but somewhere around 40% of Germans voted for him when he did run and he was appointed Chancellor shortly after...


Second...how is it bigoted to call people who were bigots, bigots? At what point in time is it okay to say that they are? Does it need to be 100% of Germans being Nazis to call Germans at that time bigots? Seriously? Especially in a country that the National socialist party was winning so many elections...On that same note would it have been bigoted to call U.S. southerners racist 150 to 200 years ago? I don't think so....

and yes we did turn away ships or whatever...but I believe and don't quote me on this....that they were not returned to Germany...they were sent back to another country over there and I can't remember for the life of me which one right now...where they were supposed to be safe...of course it was our isolationism that caused it...but nonetheless we aren't talking about the U.S.

Originally Posted by DRS112

I get that now that you say it....but at the time that's now how I took it

Originally Posted by Dr. Zaius

When you group an entire nation of people so afraid of being killed just for giving a piece of bread to a jew......that's when.

There is just a lot more to this history than can be just summised in the way I felt you did.

Originally Posted by Dr. Zaius

Damn....then you're gonna hate my other post.

Originally Posted by DRS112

I don't think there are mitigating circumstances that make it wrong to call bigots, bigots...especially mass murdering bigots...ya know...?

I get that there are reasons they were...there always are...I just don't care...it only matters to the extent of what can be done to prevent it....doesn't change what was....

Originally Posted by DRS112

And here's the thing...there was a deliberate attempt by Germans to cast themselves as victims of Hitler...there were deliberate attempts to ignore the racism and predjudice behind the holocaust....

When there was East vs. West Germany there were even attempts to cast Nazism as either a product of totalitarianism(by the west) or as a product of Capitalism(by the East) in both cases they also portray Germans as the victims...Germany committed the atrocities with the help of so many from other countries as well...why do you think France fell so easy? because about 1/3 of the country were Nazi collaborators...