Hitler, Germans and Genocide - Page 3

DanS. · 05-13-2008, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Zaius

Well.....for one I call it stupid. But I don't know that it was just bigotry.....look at those that oppose our own Dictat....err President.

Xenophobic comes to mind...stupid is an all encompassing term that I like...but still...as it relates to the OP...just because somebody is a good speaker doesn't mean that he/she can talk an entire nation into committing genocide...they were prejudice before and after Nazism...Hitler was just a piece of the puzzle....that capitalized on pre-existing conditions...

MarkMiller · 05-13-2008, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DRS112

Xenophobic comes to mind...stupid is an all encompassing term that I like...but still...as it relates to the OP...just because somebody is a good speaker doesn't mean that he/she can talk an entire nation into committing genocide...they were prejudice before and after Nazism...Hitler was just a piece of the puzzle....that capitalized on pre-existing conditions...

That was very well stated. I can only say that many went with it because their only their only other choice was death. If you can kill someone just because of their nationality or religion, it's not to far fetched to believe many went along just to live.

MarkMiller · 05-13-2008, 01:26 AM

Let me leave you with this....from the Musical Cabaret;

What Would You Do?

With the time rushing by,
What would you do?
With the clock running down,
What would you do?

The young always have the cure:
Being brave, being sure and free.
But imagine if you were me.
Alone like me
And this is the only world I know
Some rooms to let,
To some other lifetime, even so.

I'll take your advice,
What would you do?
Would you pay the price,
What would you do?

Suppose simply keeping still,
Means you managed until the end.
What would you do,
My brave, young friend?

Grown old like me,
With neither there'll be no wish to run.
Grown tired like me,
For her is forbid when day is done
Grown wise like me,
Who isn't in war with anyone?
Not anyone!

With the storm in the wind,
What would you do?
Suppose you are unafraid and wise,
Being told what the choice must be.

Go on, tell me...

I will listen...

What would you do?...

If you were me!

CosmicRocker · 05-13-2008, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DRS112

And here's the thing...there was a deliberate attempt by Germans to cast themselves as victims of Hitler...there were deliberate attempts to ignore the racism and predjudice behind the holocaust....

When there was East vs. West Germany there were even attempts to cast Nazism as either a product of totalitarianism(by the west) or as a product of Capitalism(by the East) in both cases they also portray Germans as the victims...Germany committed the atrocities with the help of so many from other countries as well...why do you think France fell so easy? because about 1/3 of the country were Nazi collaborators...

More likely the futility and overeliance of the Maginot Line, and the Blitzkrieg type of invasion the German;s used.

Kanadesaga · 05-13-2008, 07:57 AM

I haven't read the entire thread, but anti-Semitism has been rampant for centuries in Europe by the time of Hitler. He was basically preaching to the choir about the Jews. But let us not forget the Gypsies and infirmed and gay that alsio met a similiar fate,

ianmine · 05-13-2008, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Kanadesaga

I haven't read the entire thread, but anti-Semitism has been rampant for centuries in Europe by the time of Hitler. He was basically preaching to the choir about the Jews. But let us not forget the Gypsies and infirmed and gay that alsio met a similiar fate,

exactly....When Germany was forced to sign the treaty of Versailles after WWI, many believed it was part of a huge Jeswish/Communist conspiracy to humiliate Germany.
The whole 'rise of the movement ' was a lethal combination of anti-semitism, anti-communism, racism and ethnic nationalism stirred in with a good dose of economic depression....everyone was looking for someone to blame, it seems...

DanS. · 05-13-2008, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CosmicRocker

More likely the futility and overeliance of the Maginot Line, and the Blitzkrieg type of invasion the German;s used.

I think you're oversimplifying things...of course it was a factor...but not the only factor as so many would have you believe....

Kanadesaga · 05-13-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Zaius

If you studied this so much.... why do you say Hitler was elected?

Because Hitler was elected Chancellor in '33 I believe. for all it's bs it was an election.

Malkavian · 05-13-2008, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DRS112

So...what caused it? Pre Hitler were the majority of Germans rational humans only to be transformed into anti-semitic, bigoted mass murderers by Hitler? And that once Hitler died and the war was over they suddenly woke up and realized that they had been duped into doing it by flashy speeches?

Or were Germans nationalist, bigoted pricks before Hitler which is why they elected him and were his willing executioners?

Also...was it unique to Germany? Or were the surrounding countries like France, Belgium etc. equals or near equals in their nationalistic, bigoted tendencies?

The second one.

Kanadesaga · 05-13-2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ianmine

exactly....When Germany was forced to sign the treaty of Versailles after WWI, many believed it was part of a huge Jeswish/Communist conspiracy to humiliate Germany.
The whole 'rise of the movement ' was a lethal combination of anti-semitism, anti-communism, racism and ethnic nationalism stirred in with a good dose of economic depression....everyone was looking for someone to blame, it seems...

In the cliched "A Perfect Storm". which is why the Marshall Plan was so instrumaental in post WWII reconstruction for Europe and japan under Mac Arthur. See we americans used to be able to learn from previous mistakes. I guess because the retard dodged real military service he thought war was like Hollywood. fucking idiot!

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MarkMiller Senior Member Archery 2000 Champion! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Ca. VOTE NO ON PROPOSITION 8! The constitution is for everyone! Posts: 4,536 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 84 Thanked 64 Times in 51 Posts	Let me leave you with this....from the Musical Cabaret; What Would You Do? With the time rushing by, What would you do? With the clock running down, What would you do? The young always have the cure: Being brave, being sure and free. But imagine if you were me. Alone like me And this is the only world I know Some rooms to let, To some other lifetime, even so. I'll take your advice, What would you do? Would you pay the price, What would you do? Suppose simply keeping still, Means you managed until the end. What would you do, My brave, young friend? Grown old like me, With neither there'll be no wish to run. Grown tired like me, For her is forbid when day is done Grown wise like me, Who isn't in war with anyone? Not anyone! With the storm in the wind, What would you do? Suppose you are unafraid and wise, Being told what the choice must be. Go on, tell me... I will listen... What would you do?... If you were me!
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