DRS112

So...what caused it? Pre Hitler were the majority of Germans rational humans only to be transformed into anti-semitic, bigoted mass murderers by Hitler? And that once Hitler died and the war was over they suddenly woke up and realized that they had been duped into doing it by flashy speeches?

Or were Germans nationalist, bigoted pricks before Hitler which is why they elected him and were his willing executioners?

Also...was it unique to Germany? Or were the surrounding countries like France, Belgium etc. equals or near equals in their nationalistic, bigoted tendencies?

The_Heretic

It's a little of both and much more. Some wanted someone to blame for World War One, someone to blame for Germany's collepsed economy [much worse than ours by far], some hated Jews and wanted any excuse to go after them, some Germans were so pissed off about Marxist philosophy on the streets that they didn't quite catch nor care about a bullshit "connection" to German Jews [not known no connection existed].

Also, a partisan bickering and division left the country in deadlock [not that we're as bad off as they were then]. Then there's the gain power by any vehcile or guise it takes crowd. Plus there were corporations looking to use government to make more money [this is a problem we have just as severly as they did]. In addition there were old greivances Germany had with neighboring countries, some of them on territory disputes.

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chrisbb

there were certainly fascist motherfuckers in all European countries. i suspect that people didn't really pay attention to what Hitler was saying. as long as he brought their country back up out of the pisser, they didnt care. look at what Bush gets away with.

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Dr. Zaius

LOL! You forget we turned away Jews fleeing from Hitlers Germany. Sent them back to their deaths.

There is a very extensive history and a very good lesson to be learned if you want to actually look and not just gloss over it.

It was a time for Germany when food prices had sored and bread lines were common and a man came forth and stood out among others to proclaim all the answers. He blamed the Jews and their "hateful destructive" ways. But to suggest that the Germans were just a hateful group.....wow. How bigoted that would be.

This person "Hitler" did not win a position, he took it with the help of a political party.

Dismiss it if you would like.....but no nation of people has a common hatred. People were being rounded up for speaking out and death was the threat against those that opposed the Nazis.

chrisbb

in addition, Hitler would not have been able to do what he did without the support of powerful members of the establishment

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DRS112

you're lucky I'm logging off...I had an entire semester on the subject, read many books and had a teacher from there...so please...dont' tell me to read the history instead of glossing over it....

The_Heretic

Also, Hitler wasn't elected to jack shit. He was appointed to a second tier post by Hindenberg, who then died of a heart attack leaving Hitler to ooze into the top spot.

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Dr. Zaius

I didn't....but you are the one who is suggesting the German people were just bad people in General.

Dr. Zaius

If you studied this so much.... why do you say Hitler was elected?

DRS112

can't sleep....

alright...two things...you're right..he wasn't Elected...I misspoke but somewhere around 40% of Germans voted for him when he did run and he was appointed Chancellor shortly after...


Second...how is it bigoted to call people who were bigots, bigots? At what point in time is it okay to say that they are? Does it need to be 100% of Germans being Nazis to call Germans at that time bigots? Seriously? Especially in a country that the National socialist party was winning so many elections...On that same note would it have been bigoted to call U.S. southerners racist 150 to 200 years ago? I don't think so....

and yes we did turn away ships or whatever...but I believe and don't quote me on this....that they were not returned to Germany...they were sent back to another country over there and I can't remember for the life of me which one right now...where they were supposed to be safe...of course it was our isolationism that caused it...but nonetheless we aren't talking about the U.S.