Originally Posted by OldManOnFire

1. He was pandering for the Jewish vote...which all politicians do.

2. It was an appeasement to Israel...which all politicians do.

3. He was following in insane-Bush's footsteps by threatening Iran with a preemptive strike if necessary...which is the Republican mantra and politics as usual...Where's the change in this???

Originally Posted by ocealdia

NONE.....at all.

Originally Posted by DRS112

Suddenly it's a big deal to you guys when Obama says it?

Originally Posted by winthrop

It is, or should be, a big deal when anyone says it, and that,
at least in some views, is the point.
If one does not favor military solutions, with or without talking first,
how is that point of view to be represented?
Mr. Obama is superior to Mr. McCain in many ways, not least because
of his preference for talking first. But the howling about Ms. Clinton's
remarks, which were basically the same in result, except for her more
bellicose language, was, as you will surely acknowledge, deafening. So
the question could be reversed; it is not a big deal of Mr. Obama
says it?

And do these questions equal copy-and-paste e-mail lies about Mr.
Obama, to belong in the "Conservatives" forum?

Originally Posted by DRS112

No...what gets the move is people raising the spector of him being Muslim..

but anyways...you were the one who defended Hillary's statement as only being clumsy for using "obliterate"...and that was it...and NOW what Obama says, even though more tactful, is a big deal...go figure.

Originally Posted by winthrop

It was clumsy...but it was also accurate. And a big deal.
Do you believe Mr. Obama will, as president of the United States, and
after his stated staunch support for Israel, not act should Iran destroy
Israel with a nuclear weapon (something, by the way, I consider highly
unlikely for reasons stated in the same posts you reference)?
Do you believe he should not act?

Originally Posted by DRS112

That's not what this is about(now anyways,OP aside) you and two others made what Obama said out to be a big deal and a no-no.

Originally Posted by winthrop

First of all, forgive my ignorance, but what is "OP"? I am still not hip
to all of this newfangled interwebs lingo.

However elegant-as-always his language, Mr. Obama said the same
thing Ms. Clinton said. That is my entire point. "Hypocrisy" is too harsh
a word to use in this context, but a bit of unfairness is evident.
It is similar to those Obama-only individuals who declared they would
not vote for any Democrat if their's was not the chosen nominee who
now excoriate Hillary-only individuals for claiming they will not vote
for Mr. Obama (in spite of the polls showing the numbers of those
voters to be far fewer than former Clinton supporters who state they
will vote for Obama).
Let us not lose our objectivity.

And sorry, I missed the "Muslim" claims. They are, as always, without
merit.

Originally Posted by OldManOnFire

Here's some insane-Bush and US State Department illogic:

In the Middle East, comprising approximately 21 countries, with a total population of approximately 450 million people, Israel is one nation with a population of 7 million.

So although Israel represents only 1.5% of the entire Middle Eastern population they demand all their wishes and aspirations to be met or they attack anyone who gets in their way...and the US supports this position.

Little 1.5% Israel has nuclear weapons but it's not okay for Iran and others to have them as well.

Further, the religious and cultural beliefs in Israel are arguably unique within the ME.

Based on the above information, how would it ever be possible to have peace in the ME region between Israel and any nation??

I think they deserve their sovereignty just as Iraq and Iran and others have this right. But to place Israel on this pedestal, to have the US politically support Israel, when in fact all other nations in the ME should be considered in the whole, it is no wonder that so many hate the US and why we can expect some amount of terrorism for decades to come.

Does any of this have anything to do with religious differences???

Originally Posted by lollipop

I don't think it's about religious differences but it is in part about religion. American Jews are pretty powerful.