DanS.

That's kinda what I was thinking...

I wonder if I can ban myself.

maybe I'll trying giving myself an infraction....

EDIT: just checked...can't do it....I really would have too

winthrop

And you do the same. But for the record, the "top of my head" is not
filled with Clinton policy statements.

There is still the Comfy Chair.

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DanS.

or votes apparently.

hell, even if it isn't off the top of your head, really the point is that the statement you pasted isn't "ALL" we have to go off of...and really from where I'm sitting it's the least credible source of any.....

winthrop

No, votes, either. I am not Clinton obsessed (which is not to say you
are). Still, how one votes in the Senate is often different from
how one conducts the presidency, just as how one campaigns is often
different from how one performs when confronted with the reality of
the office.
What they say they will do as president is all we have to go on
regarding what they will do as president. Of course, votes in the Senate
can be examined, but there are different dynamics at work in the two
branches. At least we can agree upon that.
That and your need to be strapped to the Comfy Chair.

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DanS.

yeah I do...tired and cranky..

Jonesy

Well, we should definitely support Israel. Help the two of them, really, to achieve reconciliation. I disagree with the way we give blind support though. We should be looking at the situation realistically and truthfully. It is ultimately up to Israel and Palestine, but certainly there is some degree of assistance we can offer besides financial and military.

Rigged

Well I think its not as simple as it seems. I think there is a distinctive divison inside the jewish race on how it conducts its policy. I can imagine many jews don't feel as cosy to israel as the media makes it out. Being german myself, when i hear my uncles talk, it reminds me of how much anomocity really exists STILL regarding the jewish people in germany and in europe generally. the jews have a real, and distinct fear, of a repeated holocost and personally i don't blame them. if it weren't for the US the arabs would have pushed the jews into the sea years ago.

on the other hand, i don't agree with what they are doing to the Palestinian people in creating an apartheid situation. i do know that as soon as they are willing to make compromises, the fighting will stop. they just signed another cease fire in gaza so i am hopeful that it will be better for the people living outside of israel and in the strip.

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OldManOnFire

For the US to give blind support to 1.5% of the ME, while essentially ignoring the remaining 98.5%, will have a tendency to make things complex.

My family is German as well and my father migrated from Germany in the early 1900's, and he had no use whatsoever for Jews. His reasons didn't even need to make sense...this is just the way it was. When my father was in WWII, US soldiers were given strict rules to avoid fraternization with people from ME nations...but more to the point anyone who is Muslim. HISTORY has a tight grip on people in Europe, Israel, and in the ME, and although generations have passed, this bias or hate continues to exist today.

When I hear a single Christian or Jew state that they can be accepting of the religion of Islam, or the reverse of this, I will see progress.

When I hear a single American state that they would be happy to trade places with anyone in the ME, I will see progress.

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OldManOnFire

Philosophically, I don't really understand why the USA needs to be involved in the Middle East? What did we get for all the deaths, injuries and trillion$ spent in Iraq?? What can we possibly get if we start the same with Iran??

If things are so bad in Iraq or Iran, why not let Russia, and Europe, and neighboring nations deal with them?

Why can't the US put most of it's resources into nations which can either directly or indirectly have some pay-back? What if the US would have started forty years ago working closely with Mexico, where would Mexico be today, and what payoff would the US have seen? When I think about the scope of power and importance that China and India will soon have, I think silly things like the US should merge with Mexico and Canada forming one larger nation better equipped to compete on the grand scales of the world stage. And I think of opposite positions where the US places 98% priority on domestic issues and 2% on international affairs and to do this until we get our act together.

But then I realize I am dreaming...that in the USA we don't do anything until our asses are on fire, and even then we want someone or something else to solve all our issues for us...

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chrisbb

i laugh my ass off everytime a thread like this starts and we get ads like "date fun Jewish singles"

it must drive some people crazy