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Old 06-15-2008, 09:31 AM   #1 (permalink)
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What's With All This Blind Support For Israel???

Here's some insane-Bush and US State Department illogic:

In the Middle East, comprising approximately 21 countries, with a total population of approximately 450 million people, Israel is one nation with a population of 7 million.

So although Israel represents only 1.5% of the entire Middle Eastern population they demand all their wishes and aspirations to be met or they attack anyone who gets in their way...and the US supports this position.

Little 1.5% Israel has nuclear weapons but it's not okay for Iran and others to have them as well.

Further, the religious and cultural beliefs in Israel are arguably unique within the ME.

Based on the above information, how would it ever be possible to have peace in the ME region between Israel and any nation??

I think they deserve their sovereignty just as Iraq and Iran and others have this right. But to place Israel on this pedestal, to have the US politically support Israel, when in fact all other nations in the ME should be considered in the whole, it is no wonder that so many hate the US and why we can expect some amount of terrorism for decades to come.

Does any of this have anything to do with religious differences???
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They are gods "chosen" people. Everybody has to meet their demands, or else.

How about the population of Jews in the U.S.=6,452,030

population of the United States=296,410,404

Percent of jewish living in the United States=2.2%

Jewish Population of the United States by State


And yet Obama had to go to Florida and kiss their ass before he could proceed with his nomination.

Why?
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And yet Obama had to go to Florida and kiss their ass before he could proceed with his nomination.

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I don't even want to get involved in this, but to ask this question simply points out that you didn't pay attention to the campaign and are merely focusing on an aspect that has nothing to do with your question.

Why does Obama have to go there? Simple. Because he wasn't allowed to go there during the primaries, because the Dems agreed not to campaign there for the primaries. Nobody has been able to ask him questions directly. He hasn't been able to answer any direct questions.

And I suppose you forgot that Fla is quite diverse and there are shitloads of issues that people want to talk about.
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They are gods "chosen" people. Everybody has to meet their demands, or else.

How about the population of Jews in the U.S.=6,452,030

population of the United States=296,410,404

Percent of jewish living in the United States=2.2%

Jewish Population of the United States by State


And yet Obama had to go to Florida and kiss their ass before he could proceed with his nomination.

Why?
Why did the press let Obama get away with mimicking John McCain, in which Obama stated 'three times' that he will do everything...everything...everything to protect Israel and assure that Iran does not obtain nuclear weapons? This is the same sabre-rattling war-mongering bully tactics that insane-Bush has done yet Obama gets a free pass...why????
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I don't even want to get involved in this, but to ask this question simply points out that you didn't pay attention to the campaign and are merely focusing on an aspect that has nothing to do with your question.

Why does Obama have to go there? Simple. Because he wasn't allowed to go there during the primaries, because the Dems agreed not to campaign there for the primaries. Nobody has been able to ask him questions directly. He hasn't been able to answer any direct questions.

And I suppose you forgot that Fla is quite diverse and there are shitloads of issues that people want to talk about.
1. He was pandering for the Jewish vote...which all politicians do.

2. It was an appeasement to Israel...which all politicians do.

3. He was following in insane-Bush's footsteps by threatening Iran with a preemptive strike if necessary...which is the Republican mantra and politics as usual...Where's the change in this???
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Old 06-16-2008, 11:27 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I don't even want to get involved in this, but to ask this question simply points out that you didn't pay attention to the campaign and are merely focusing on an aspect that has nothing to do with your question.

Why does Obama have to go there? Simple. Because he wasn't allowed to go there during the primaries, because the Dems agreed not to campaign there for the primaries. Nobody has been able to ask him questions directly. He hasn't been able to answer any direct questions.

And I suppose you forgot that Fla is quite diverse and there are shitloads of issues that people want to talk about.
Bullshit, I am quite familiar with what goes on in Florida. How about you, what are your qualifications?

And as you can tell by this article posted in the Broward County Sun-Sentinal that there was one main reason for his visit DOWN HERE and it wasn't the recipe for matzo ball soup.

Choosing Barack Obama will hurt the Jewish people
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George Santayana put it best: Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. When I learned recently that Barack Obama was to speak at a local Jewish house of worship (B'Nai Torah), I was shocked, dismayed and frightened.

I was a very young girl during World War II. It was a very frightening time for me and others of the Jewish faith in this country and around the world. It was leaders like Neville Chamberlain and Franklin Roosevelt who turned a blind eye to the plight of what was happening to world Jewry. By the time Winston Churchill, a man who recognized Hitler for the monster he was early on, came into power, Hitler's master plan to exterminate what would be millions of Jews was already in place. The Jewish populations in the shtetl's my parents and grandparents came from were murdered in cold blood.

Today, in these towns, there are shops, once owned by Jewish proprietors, such as a "Jewish Bakery" that still sells braided egg bread (challah) despite there being no Jewish residents.



This leads me to my concerns over Jewish support for Sen. Barack Obama. In an editorial in the May 21 edition of the Wall Street Journal, Sen. Joseph Lieberman states that today's Democratic Party is very different from what it was when Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman and John F. Kennedy led the party.

These men came to understand who our enemies, the fascists and communists, respectively, were. The Democratic Party took a sharp turn to the left decades ago and not only doesn't criticize our enemies; candidates like Obama seem to be in bed with them. Obama's relationship with Jeremiah Wright got a great deal of attention, and while his relationship with Bill Ayers (formerly of the Weather Underground who has yet to repent for his crimes of bloody terror) doesn't get as much attention, conservative commentators, without the fear of repercussions from the liberal establishment, reported this months ago.

Obama was also a board member on the Arab American Action Network, a pro-Palestinian organization. Tony McPeak, an advisor for Obama, blames the failure of the Middle East peace process on Jews in Miami and New York. What worries me is that my fellow Jews are choosing Democratic Party doctrine over the future of our people and country, a doctrine our parents and grandparents would scarcely recognize.

The South Florida Sun-Sentinel ran an ad for a leading conservative synagogue in its May 22 edition that read, "A great foundation builds strong character." Blindly following a man with Obama's outlook, record and history, as U.S. Rep. Robert Wexler (head of Obama's campaign in Florida) has, will only weaken the foundation of our people, not strengthen it. A foundation of Jewish faith is the concept of Tikkun Olam, to repair the world. This can't be done by following leaders who support getting together with leaders of rogue nations whose intention is to drive Israel into the sea, ending its very existence.

Phyllis Pavsner is a resident of Boca Raton.


Choosing Barack Obama will hurt the Jewish people -- South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com
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Why did the press let Obama get away with mimicking John McCain, in which Obama stated 'three times' that he will do everything...everything...everything to protect Israel and assure that Iran does not obtain nuclear weapons? This is the same sabre-rattling war-mongering bully tactics that insane-Bush has done yet Obama gets a free pass...why????
Who controls the press?

The same people who gave bush a free pass to go into Iraq without asking any questions or digging deeper to see if any of the information being used to go the invade Iraq was justified.

I hate to say "conspiracy", since most people don't know the definition, but it sure looks like one to me comsidering how badly Israel wants to go at it with Iran.
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Bullshit, I am quite familiar with what goes on in Florida. How about you, what are your qualifications?

And as you can tell by this article posted in the Broward County Sun-Sentinal that there was one main reason for his visit DOWN HERE and it wasn't the recipe for matzo ball soup....
As I can tell, this is not what I consider an article at all. It is a letter to the editor from a resident of Boca Raton. And clearly, it is a letter that is not based on any substance, but actually justifies my answer to the original question I responded to. That question was "Why does Obama have to go there?" And the answer remains the same, so that people can ask him their questions and express their concerns to him personally.

I question the qualifications of a person who considers an opinion to the editor an article.

You do know you don't have to be Jewish to live in Fla., right? And that they do not hold the keys to the political treasure chest of electoral votes. And since you are obviously worried that John McCain also "panders" to AIPAC, I really don't understand your fear of Obama.
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Despite what anyone may say, we support Israel because we need a strong military there...



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As I can tell, this is not what I consider an article at all. It is a letter to the editor from a resident of Boca Raton. And clearly, it is a letter that is not based on any substance, but actually justifies my answer to the original question I responded to. That question was "Why does Obama have to go there?" And the answer remains the same, so that people can ask him their questions and express their concerns to him personally.

I question the qualifications of a person who considers an opinion to the editor an article.

You do know you don't have to be Jewish to live in Fla., right? And that they do not hold the keys to the political treasure chest of electoral votes. And since you are obviously worried that John McCain also "panders" to AIPAC, I really don't understand your fear of Obama.

I don't fear obama you nimrod.

Your response is demented and a mess. The article or opinion which was printed as an article in the newspaper was representative of the Jewish population of South Florida.

It is a big concern to them that Obama is the democratic nominee and many are threatening to back McCain.

They were protesting in the streets of Palm Beach County that Obama is NOT GOOD FOR ISRAEL. Why that should concern a man who is running for PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES I do not know!!!!!



They are concerned about how Obama is going to fit Israel into his plans. They had no such concern with Hillary or McCain.
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