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Originally Posted by Vicariously I
It seems to me Heretic that your vote is more important then the outcome of the election.
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Then you either don't understand what I'm conveying or you're deliberately ignoring my point [I honestly don't know which]. My vote is precisely tied to the outcome. You've let the two parties frame the argument based on myths that don't bare any resemblance to the reality whatsoever.
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You make it sound like McCain and Obama are the same, that it really won't matter which one is elected. I mean you can't honestly believe this do you?
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If Obama would hold his ground then I'd have reason to vote for him. He backs a policy that he himself doesn't like the results ARE NO DIFFERENT even if the mindset is.
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As far as voting is concerned, the only action that will help to prevent a McCain victory is a vote for Obama.
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Ansolutely false. The more you push this line of bullshit the more resistence you'll get back. Your line of "reason" is why we got two terms of Jr. Kerry had no third candidate to oppose and he still lost. He lost because we were artificially forced into two options. That's why democrats got beat. It's why Gore lost in 2000. No matter what lies democrats feed you about third party or independent candidates it's the dichotamy that costs democrats time and time again. It's why this election will come to a close tie, which then will allow the right wing to wrest away the presidency through the courts yet again.
You're choosing to be the problem instead of the solution when you accept candidates who cave in rather than fight.
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Again, I understand your points and admire your vigilance but to me, there is one gigantic fucking problem facing America right now and his name is John McCain.
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he and his party are the larger half of the problem,
but they would be no problem at all but for democrat appeasers.
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There is not one day that I don't look at my kids and wonder what kind of world they are going to grow up in.
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But you won't fight for real improvement.
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I don't consider voting for Obama to prevent McCain from winning, surrender.
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That's what it is whether you admit it or not.
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Casting a vote that will not count in any way shape or form, to me, is surrendering the one chance you have to prevent a McCain victory.
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Bullshit, as usual. When you vote for a candidate who caves in to right wing pressure yours becomes a vote of surrender.
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There may be nothing I can say that will make you understand that I agree with the way you feel.
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I understood your point from the start and all alone. But your agreement doesn't mean anything because it's not followed by any meaningful action.
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But I will not only vote for a Obama to prevent a McCain victory but also because despite his downfalls, I still think he can make some kind of difference in the way our government works.
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His vote for FISA prooved he's not willing to make real change. So what you think is a clear break from the truth.
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You may laugh at this and in the end you may be right to do so. However I would much rather have Obama get elected and find out he's just another politician that won't do everything necessary and have you say I told you so, then have McCain win and be able to tell you I told you so.
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Obama might be slightly better than McCain and even McCain is an improvement over Jr. [not hard really], but that's simply not enough to save our country and the environment around the world. The fact that you'll settle for less is what puts this country at greater risk of one day becoming a dictatorship. The lack of opposition is what the anti-American right wing depends on. That's what you're giving them.
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Say what you will, but I have friends and family in the army and for their sake and the sake of my children I CANNOT allow a McCain victory.
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I got friends in the military, and that's why I set the bar high enough for an effective change to save their lives. Anything less is just another form of abandonment.
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And although you doing a write in may not necessarily help McCain win, it will most certainly do NOTHING to prevent it.
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My vote will do more to stop the right wing than yours will, that's much is proven solidly by the last two presidential elections. The argument of picking the "lesser of two evils" is what the right wing depends on to win, and that's because smart voters realize that the lesser of evils is no answer.
08-13-2008, 05:05 PM
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