Heretic

My letter to Pushover Pelosi about how she's aided and abetted the right wing pigs trying to destroy our country:

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michelemichele

Wish you'd still vote democrat, but it's a great letter.

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Heretic

I refuse to lend a hand to failure. My vote must go only toward solutions not problems.

And, to be fair, here's the version I sent to Harry Rollover Reid in the snate:

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michelemichele

Abstaining from voting and splitting your vote will be lending a hand to failure.

I am not happy about offshore drilling and FISA -- though, as you know, I see what Obama's POV was. Nevertheless, if everyone who's disappointed abstains, rescinding their vote, or throws it to some independent or takes the PUMA route & votes for McCain, god help us all.

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Heretic

I'm not abstaining from voting. But the way to advance failure is support these two parties. The only answer to vote for neither yet still cast a ballot. If I were to vote republican that'd be treason, but voting democratic is surrender.

Obama's explanation was based on the lie of the FISA bill restoring the FISa courts. It didn't. Had the bill gone down in flames THAT would've restored the FISA court authority. But in passing it they've destroyed effective accountability over wiretaps. It was nothing short of outright surrender and appeasement.

You cannot blame independent candidates for a McCain win. This has been a lie in 2004 as well as 2000. In fact Darth Nader's campaign brought out more votes for Gore than Nader himself got, and Gore would've lost Florida by indisputably larger numbers had Nader not run.

The D.I.N.O. party is going to have go fall apart before we can stop republicans here. That's just how it is. They've been the republicans' left flank since 1980 and have sold us out at every conceivable turn since then.

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michelemichele

So is any asshole who calls him/her-self an independent a viable alternative?

Ontario NDP Bob Rae Mike Harris (Harris as in "Harrisment" & "Balance your moral deficit")

Ahyme.

Vote independent in 2012. Please get these Republicans out of office.

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Heretic

No. As with the two thug parties those votes have to be earned.

I was told in 2000 to save my independent vote in 2004. Then in 2004 I was told again to put it off for 2008. See how this works? The very reason why our government is broken is because bad behavior is rewarded by voters who're either lazy, stupid, spineless or they want corruption. Americans brought these problem on ourselves by caving into the two parties. Most voters in the U.S. have become cattle easily led to the slaughter.

Votiong independent is the ONLY way to fix our problems. Republicans and D.I.N.O.'s have a vested interest in keeping our government broken and vulnerable. I was foolish enough to think Obama was different from that, but right after the primary was behidn him he fuckin' sold us out to the same right wing pigs that the rest of teh D.I.N.O.'s morgaged theor souls to.

No more!!

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Vicariously I

Heretic I understand your points I really do but you can't possibly think not voting or writing in some random name means anything to the powers that be. It won't change a thing. In fact the only thing it could possibly do is help McCain.

Voting itself is not the way to fix anything in this country. We need people to speak out in productive ways, to act. I don't agree with some of the things Obama has done but you know just as well as I do that McCain becoming president would be devastating to our country and the world. It cannot be allowed to happen. Your statement in all honesty will go completely unnoticed.

The challenge of fixing our government is far beyond write in votes and emails to politicians. You think they will read these emails and give two shits? This is the way I see it. We need people to organize a movement in this country. We need to launch our own campaign for the presidency and our candidate will be we the people. We need to make statements with our actions that cannot be ignored.

However, if McCain is president the likely hood of our actions making an impact lie somewhere between "yeah right" and "not a chance in hell."

We need to work on getting Obama elected to prevent the horrible outcome of a McCain presidency. THEN, when we can breath a slight breath of fresh air, we need to unify the people and force the changes we all desire with or without Obamas help. I have no delusions about Obama changing the government the way we would like it to be changed but I know the people will have a much better chance of making those changes with him as president then McCain.

I'm willing to take a few hits in order to get my self in the best position to swing back.

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Heretic

Voting independent doesn't help McCain in the slightest. You guys need to stop propagating that myth. My vote must be EARNED and a candidate who refuses gets shit from me. That's how it is.

Which I do.

Actually my statement won't go unnoticed. However your complicity in the D.I.N.O. appeasement will be taken as supporting appeasement.

It's a vastly superior option to your surrender "strategy."


That was done already and many times over. That's when the republicans and D.I.N.O.'s coconspired to violate election laws to bar them from the ballot.

Only if you choose to give in.

Not until he stands up against the right wing. Maybe you've forgotten how this works, but simply not being republican doesn't entitle someone to my vote. They must actively oppose the right wing and do what's right. When they fail to they shouldn't be rewarded with votes. I'm not interested in surrendering. If Obama changes his tune, actively fights against FISA then I'll reconsider, but not until then.

Got it!?

Bullshit, you're willing to cave in. It's precisely why the D.I.NO.'s cave in, because they know you'll surrender in turn and support their election defeatist approach.

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Vicariously I

It seems to me Heretic that your vote is more important then the outcome of the election. You make it sound like McCain and Obama are the same, that it really won't matter which one is elected. I mean you can't honestly believe this do you?

As far as voting is concerned, the only action that will help to prevent a McCain victory is a vote for Obama.

Again, I understand your points and admire your vigilance but to me, there is one gigantic fucking problem facing America right now and his name is John McCain. There is not one day that I don't look at my kids and wonder what kind of world they are going to grow up in.

I don't consider voting for Obama to prevent McCain from winning, surrender. Casting a vote that will not count in any way shape or form, to me, is surrendering the one chance you have to prevent a McCain victory.

There may be nothing I can say that will make you understand that I agree with the way you feel. But I will not only vote for a Obama to prevent a McCain victory but also because despite his downfalls, I still think he can make some kind of difference in the way our government works.

You may laugh at this and in the end you may be right to do so. However I would much rather have Obama get elected and find out he's just another politician that won't do everything necessary and have you say I told you so, then have McCain win and be able to tell you I told you so.

Say what you will, but I have friends and family in the army and for their sake and the sake of my children I CANNOT allow a McCain victory. And although you doing a write in may not necessarily help McCain win, it will most certainly do NOTHING to prevent it.

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