Originally Posted by cheapseats

Flowing like oil, the money is. Get in the flow.

You, I sense, know perfectly goddamn well where you stand on just about everything...to me, it is perhaps the most obvious upside of Age...and could, therefore, be a good Fake Not-Good.

A Secret Sweetheart Deal for you, then...undisclosed boucoup bucks including a Platinum Parachute.

Where shall you be, roughly, on the Fiscally-Conservative-But-Socially-Not-Weird to NeoNazi spectrum?

You will naturally want the Republicans to hold the White House, yes? Which Republican?

Originally Posted by wayside

Are you speaking of the "real me" or the "me-who-is-devil's-advocate" me?

Originally Posted by cheapseats

But DEVIL'S advocate? You assign yourself inherent disadvantage from jump street? To be a convincing standard bearer for Heartless Conservativism, you will want to assign yourself inherent ADVANTAGES...like Right. And white.

Originally Posted by wayside

I'm one of those guys that buys a round for the house and then, at the end of the evening, asks everyone for money. I shy away from the nazi thing because I look terrible in brown. It makes me look drawn.

I can claim whiteness and I boast or rightness. Does that help?

Originally Posted by wayside

I'm looking for the real guy myself. If I find him I'll let you know.

Originally Posted by cheapseats

Oh, you're plenty real, I wouldn't give that another thought. I think there are just so MANY of us, you know? Multiple personalities, I mean, not lots of friends. Because we keep running into undiscovered aspects of ourselves, it always feels as though we haven't landed on the Real McCoy. Which we probably haven't. If we had, I expect we'd be dead.

Originally Posted by wayside

I'm one of those guys that buys a round for the house and then, at the end of the evening, asks everyone for money. I shy away from the nazi thing because I look terrible in brown. It makes me look drawn.

Originally Posted by cheapseats

Hmmm. Okay. For purposes of the charade, that would make you a politician who spends money he doesn't really have to spare, who then solicits funds that aren't really due him. Here's where it gets tricky...you know, nitpicky.

In real life, you buy the house a round of drinks because you enjoy the company of your fellows and it is your pleasure to boost the general conviviality...as a hearty "Bartender, a round for the house" unfailingly does.

You mean well...not only enjoying the moment, but enjoying everyone else's enjoyment of it...yet possibly you lack awareness of the true relationship between the size of your wallet and the size of the house. More likely, once the house is drinking rounds, everyone loses awareness of all kinds of stuff and all manner of revised circumstances come to pass before the night is through.

As a Modern Conservative, you can play this one of two ways. You can either take from the very people you profess to help, the money that you use to help them. Or, you put a pipeline between the public trough and the moneyed interests that get you elected and re-elected, and that otherwise underwrite your hifalutin life style, continually replenishing the trough with money from people you never helped but also never professed to service.

Originally Posted by wayside

I can claim whiteness and I boast or rightness. Does that help?

Originally Posted by cheapseats

Of course! You sound as though you are still vying for the job when, the bottom line is, I thought is was a done deal.

Boasting of Rightness is a mainstay of Modern Conservativism.

Originally Posted by cheapseats

Cast as a conservative, you will want to avoid issue of any apology, by the way...it is unmanly.

Originally Posted by cheapseats

But you now represent Ruling Republicans, remember? You must learn to twist and torque the language...you know, put a SPIN on things. Shortages are gloomy.

Shortage, surplus...it's all how you finesse it. A shortage of tax revenue, for instance, is more constructively viewed as opportunity for EXPANSION of the tax code.

Get it?

Originally Posted by wayside

I got it from the gitgo. I was just waiting to hear the plebian whine that has become the battle cry for the great unwashed masses. Listen, my friend, the ship of state has sailed and we are in the process of pulling up the gangplank. Those on board are heading towards a new sunrise. The horizon is filled with opportunity for wealth and prosperity for those with the instinct and backbone necessary to seize it. American is the land of equal opportunity, not guaranteed results. My advice to you is to decide which side your on. Those who want to be cared for or those who are capable of offering care to the deserving.

Originally Posted by babylonDon

Okay, I'll bite.


What's the point?

Originally Posted by cheapseats

I take it that "ALL Aboard" is not the secret password? No two-by-two-by state scripture? You'll want a SOME of those unwashed masses, I'll wager. You'll not want to sail without a servant class. While the unwashed masses are...well, dirty, they are more compliant and grateful than former members of the middle class who tend, almost without exception, to have an Attitude.

So...for whom do I speak? The unwashed masses...or all the dock workers and road workers and sanitation workers and maintenance workers and store clerks and luggage manufacturers and waiters and gardeners and teachers and firemen and policemen and nurses and everyone else you'll be leaving behind right along with the unwashed masses?

Funny in a not-funny way that you should elect for the alternative spelling of get-go. Gitgo...like Gitmo, but with a 'g' like God instead of an 'm' like Money.

But we aren't at the get-go. Just like a Fake Conservative to belie his label by rushing headlong into confrontation. I draw attention to your haste...note the fast in Fast One...and suggest that 'relaxed' is open to some interpretation.

Tell the muscled wetback peasants who stand ready to heave coal into your mighty engines, and their exotically alluring women who ready to shoo flies from your rich soups, to stand at their ease...down in steerage, where the deviant and gluttonous among you can sneak during the night for physical and pharmaceutical pleasure from around the globe. The ship will have to wait awhile in port...pretend it's a terrorist alert.

If I understand correctly, we pigeon-holed you as one of the new Relaxed Republicans who never quite nail the jeans thing...a hail-fellow-well-met, which you can afford to do because

A. you have money, and
B. you spend other people's money, and
C. you replace that by taking more money that isn't yours

A phony. Remember in Breakfast at Tiffany's? The mercenary agent...A.J.=Fred Baby, I think. "Yeah, but is she a REAL phony, that's what I wanna know."

You're a Real Phony, am I right? A Great Obfuscating Republican, G.O.P.

That will serve our fiction better than NeoNazi=HardRight anyway. I'll have a field day with HR, for starters...His Royal This and His Royal That, to say nothing of Herr Republican.

More importantly, Hard Right is Fringe. Countrywide, the majority of the People, Average Americans should not give a shit about the fringe...except as they may break the law in the extremity of their positions, QUICKLY qualified by declaring that there are some laws that a just society is entitled and obliged to erase right off the books.

We need to quit playing to the Fringe. They are loudest and creepiest, and loud and creepy=scary...AS WE ARE SEEING. But seriously, we as a country do not want what they're having. Even so, it bears reminding that Fringe also has rights to be and do as they please.

But we are far from there, debate-wise.

In the same way that it will not be instructive or constructive for you to pose as HardRight, you cannot mean for me to be some pie-in-the-sky moonbeam wingnut tax'n'spend Democrat who is afraid of their own shadow. That would be uninteresting and wasteful, no? You seem already to have them well in hand.

Shall I be a an AWOL Republican with a Progressive Agenda, or a die-hard Democrat with sound economic sense and fierce anti-establishmentarianism?

Originally Posted by babylonDon

Okay, I'll bite.


What's the point?

Originally Posted by wayside

I got it from the gitgo. I was just waiting to hear the plebian whine that has become the battle cry for the great unwashed masses. Listen, my friend, the ship of state has sailed and we are in the process of pulling up the gangplank. Those on board are heading towards a new sunrise. The horizon is filled with opportunity for wealth and prosperity for those with the instinct and backbone necessary to seize it. American is the land of equal opportunity, not guaranteed results. My advice to you is to decide which side your on. Those who want to be cared for or those who are capable of offering care to the deserving.

Originally Posted by babylonDon

Okay, I'll bite.


What's the point?