A Thread To Honor Our Military In Iraq

[JeffinCO]

Originally Posted by bornright

I explained to you why I started this thread. Perhaps the debate of whether the Iraq war is justified or not could have been better suited on another thread. The truth is you and Kanadesaga just can't bear the though of a soldier performing a heroic deed.

The soldiers in Iraq want all the people of America to respect them and their sacrifices but they will survive just as we from the Vietnam war did. They will one day realize that the spoiled liberals in America really don't matter anyway as they accomplish nothing. The liberals just resent everything without being for nothing.

No offense, but you sound like you're reading directly from Rush's radio script. Come on, BR The guy is a total scam. He lies to doctors to get massive amounts of drugs that are 1 step less powerful than HEROIN. He spews what ALL racist self-important fat hypocritical fucks want to hear.

...I'm trying hard to be optimistic that you arent one of those, dude.

I support the troops who bravely venture into the fire when they are ordered to. I support them in the best, most meaningful way I know how, which is by scrutinizing the decisions by the people who work for me, who issue those very orders.

But "I cant bear the thought of a soldier performing a heroic deed." give me a fucking break.
Really a stretch in logic. Your cup is so overflowed with what you and Rush and Bush know to be true, that there is simply no room for any new tea.

...and unfortunately for the troops, new tea is the ONLY thing that will help many of them reach their objectives. (Coming home)

[bornright]

Originally Posted by JeffinCO

So you want to talk about Audie Murphie, but not about the Nazis.

You want to talk about Rosa Parks, but not about Racism.

I don't mind talking about these other things just not on this thread as it was my intention to speak on the heroics of the soldiers in Iraq.

[bornright]

Originally Posted by Kanadesaga

What I find very curious is a man who purports to be a vet and a cop, who starts a thread to honor those in service, hasn't posted an article about the bravery and good our soldiers are doing in months. Have they stopped doing good works? No. Has the media totally ignored these stories? No. Or have you not the committment to follow through on your own stated purpose of honoring the troops? Most likely.

I continue to post the DoD Press Releases. Not because I am happy at their death, far from it, I grieve for the families left behind. But because I am committed to knowing their names. It is the least I owe them. To acknowledge their life and their sacrifice is the least any of us owe them. You blame everyone for not honoring the troops but who truly is at fault, the criminals bush and cheney.

General Sanchez just released a book. He was telling bush in 2003 about a growing insurgency, why did the retard wait 3 1/2 years to finally address it with "the Surge"? How many soldiers would be alive if steps had been taken to protect them? Steps your fucking president chose NOT to take!

You are blind to the truth by your hatred of those you label "liberal", as if it were an epithet. You owe your very lifestyle to the Liberals. If not for liberals you'd be working 12 hour days, 7 days a week, for pennies, with no breaks. Schools would still be segregated, (I presume you regret that day), and faulty products that maimed and killed would have no redress. So you should thank your god there are Liberals. and we're nice enough to include all, even you, in our search for a better way.

The truth is there is many heroic stories from Iraq most of which are not told by the media. I have not reported these stories mainly because of the time. I have periods of time that is very busy so I do not always get to be on the computor for any length of time. My hope was that others would list stories that they had heard or read of.

Anyone that joins the military at a time of war is heroic just in that act. There is nobody in Iraq today that did not join.

Your politics of claiming horrible things of Our President accomplishes nothing in honoring the fighting men of this country. You see me as being blindly committed to this president and I see you as mentally poisoned by false "liberal" information. Perhaps you can start a thread where we can discuss this.

[bornright]

Originally Posted by JeffinCO

No offense, but you sound like you're reading directly from Rush's radio script. Come on, BR The guy is a total scam. He lies to doctors to get massive amounts of drugs that are 1 step less powerful than HEROIN. He spews what ALL racist self-important fat hypocritical fucks want to hear.

...I'm trying hard to be optimistic that you arent one of those, dude.

I support the troops who bravely venture into the fire when they are ordered to. I support them in the best, most meaningful way I know how, which is by scrutinizing the decisions by the people who work for me, who issue those very orders.

But "I cant bear the thought of a soldier performing a heroic deed." give me a fucking break.
Really a stretch in logic. Your cup is so overflowed with what you and Rush and Bush know to be true, that there is simply no room for any new tea.

...and unfortunately for the troops, new tea is the ONLY thing that will help many of them reach their objectives. (Coming home)

I have no idea where Rush comes into the discussion. I have not heard anything from Rush in quite sometime but if he is talking the same points I am, good for him. Do you listen to him often?

You state that you can not bear the thought of a soldier performing a heroic deed. When they go on patrol they realize the possible danger ahead of them. Do you really not think that it does not take courage to do that? When you risk your own life to protect one of your fellow troops do you not think that is a heroic deed? I do not think you really mean that.

I wonder about you sometimes. "Tea" has nothing to do with anything.

[Kanadesaga]

Originally Posted by bornright

The truth is there is many heroic stories from Iraq most of which are not told by the media. I have not reported these stories mainly because of the time. I have periods of time that is very busy so I do not always get to be on the computor for any length of time. My hope was that others would list stories that they had heard or read of.

Anyone that joins the military at a time of war is heroic just in that act. There is nobody in Iraq today that did not join.

Really? All those National guardsmen, the 30 and 40 year olds with families volunteered for Iraq? You are so full of shit.

Your politics of claiming horrible things of Our President accomplishes nothing in honoring the fighting men of this country. You see me as being blindly committed to this president and I see you as mentally poisoned by false "liberal" information. Perhaps you can start a thread where we can discuss this.

I see you as an apologist for the worst foreign policy blunder in the history of the United States of America. Perhaps you should tell me which part of the "liberal information" is that 4073 american soldiers died for a mistake. Worse, died for a criminal enterprise you choose to extoll as patriotic and glorious. When in reality it is to the everlasting shame of this nation that we allowed that dry drunk to take us to war. I see you poisoned by propaganda machine of rove and Murdoch. you are the very definition of sheeple.

[BillCosby]

Originally Posted by bornright

I have no idea where Rush comes into the discussion. I have not heard anything from Rush in quite sometime but if he is talking the same points I am, good for him. Do you listen to him often?

You state that you can not bear the thought of a soldier performing a heroic deed. When they go on patrol they realize the possible danger ahead of them. Do you really not think that it does not take courage to do that? When you risk your own life to protect one of your fellow troops do you not think that is a heroic deed? I do not think you really mean that.

I wonder about you sometimes. "Tea" has nothing to do with anything.

Courage & heroism are not synonymous............
Serving & heroism are not synonymous..........

Most ppl here & in this country & around the world & especially the citizens of IraQ & the middle east consider the troops there as occupiers........

They are considered occupiers regardless of what you, I or an individual serving there thinks...

Selling the "liberator" line becomes a much harder sell when the very ppl you are supposedly liberating see you as anything but "liberators" ........................

The Germans "liberators" in France during ww2 never saw themselves as occupiers. Nor did the Russians "liberators" in Afghanistan or the Chinese "liberators" in Tibet..........

[JeffinCO]

Originally Posted by bornright

You state that you can not bear the thought of a soldier performing a heroic deed.

HORSESHIT. FUCKING BALONEY.
I state? Obviously you failed to understand my post, and Im not sure why I continue to try, but here goes...

...No, YOU said that I couldnt bear the thought of a soldier performing a heroic deed. ....I provided a counterpoint, and then quoted you to point out the absurdity of your statement. (guess you missed that)
...and then you go even further to misquote me in yet another embarrassingly slanderous attempt to try to throw your anti-lib monkey shit at me.

...what color is the sky in that world of yours? I mean I realize comprehension is difficult when you really have no desire to absorb new information, but jeesus.

Originally Posted by Bornright

I wonder about you sometimes. "Tea" has nothing to do with anything.

Sorry, I'll try to keep my metaphors a little simpler for you. (sigh)

[bornright]

Originally Posted by BillCosby

Courage & heroism are not synonymous............
Serving & heroism are not synonymous..........

Most ppl here & in this country & around the world & especially the citizens of IraQ & the middle east consider the troops there as occupiers........

They are considered occupiers regardless of what you, I or an individual serving there thinks...

Selling the "liberator" line becomes a much harder sell when the very ppl you are supposedly liberating see you as anything but "liberators" ........................

The Germans "liberators" in France during ww2 never saw themselves as occupiers. Nor did the Russians "liberators" in Afghanistan or the Chinese "liberators" in Tibet..........

I do agree that most people you know and run with consider the US military as occupiers. I do not agree with the rest of your statements.

Is it possible to have heroism without courage? I think not. Do you not think it is couragous to join the military at a time of war?

[bornright]

Originally Posted by Kanadesaga

Really? All those National guardsmen, the 30 and 40 year olds with families volunteered for Iraq? You are so full of shit.

Yes all those National Guardsmen did volunteer for military service at a time this country is at war. Should we not be proud of them and their decision?

Originally Posted by Kanadesaga

I see you as an apologist for the worst foreign policy blunder in the history of the United States of America. Perhaps you should tell me which part of the "liberal information" is that 4073 american soldiers died for a mistake. Worse, died for a criminal enterprise you choose to extoll as patriotic and glorious. When in reality it is to the everlasting shame of this nation that we allowed that dry drunk to take us to war. I see you poisoned by propaganda machine of rove and Murdoch. you are the very definition of sheeple.

You ask me to tell you what is "liberal information". Very simply it is everything you have spoke of except for the death toll.

If there were a soldier that told you that he believed in the US mission in Iraq and that he disagreed with your propaganda that you spit out against this government. This soldier goes to Iraq and serves his country in an honorable way using his courage and skills to kill as many terrorists and enemies to the US and Iraqi people as he possible can. Do you feel this soldier is a hero?

[BillCosby]

Originally Posted by bornright

I do agree that most people you know and run with consider the US military as occupiers. I do not agree with the rest of your statements.

Is it possible to have heroism without courage? I think not. Do you not think it is couragous to join the military at a time of war?

Not necessarily. I did & I don't think it would apply to myself or lots of others............