A Thread To Honor Our Military In Iraq

[JeffinCO]

Originally Posted by bornright

No I have not seen it. Let me guess it is about some military personnel that refuse to go to war because they feel war is so unjust. You were very accurate when you said "arguably" VERY brave GIs. The truth is many are not mentally or in some cases physically capable of going to war. If they were there they would be a danger to themselves and the soldiers around them. Did you think the people that ran to Canada during the Vietnam war were very brave?

How would I imagine that you would pass such harsh judgement on something very important without ONE SHRED of intellectual curiousity as to what it is about. Havent watched one scene. No idea what it involves, but you're pretty sure they are cowards.

Maybe the "arguably" thing was baiting, but you sure swallowed it.

With every post you prove yourself to be more full of shit than a toilet at Walter Reed.

Never need to learn anything new, eh? you were BORNright. (brother)

[BillCosby]

Originally Posted by bornright

No I have not seen it. Let me guess it is about some military personnel that refuse to go to war because they feel war is so unjust. You were very accurate when you said "arguably" VERY brave GIs. The truth is many are not mentally or in some cases physically capable of going to war. If they were there they would be a danger to themselves and the soldiers around them. Did you think the people that ran to Canada during the Vietnam war were very brave?

[JeffinCO]

Sir! No Sir
there is a small clip of this very important film here.

Sir! No Sir! - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(for anyone interested in learning more about it)

[JeffinCO]

The Iraq Media Action Project (IMAP)
IMAP is a new online initiative of Working Films created to promote the use of informative and compelling documentary films to build awareness and positive action connected to the war in Iraq.
Iraq Media Action Project ((IMAP)) linking film --> action

[JeffinCO]

Originally Posted by bornright

No I have not seen it. Let me guess it is about some military personnel that refuse to go to war because they feel war is so unjust. You were very accurate when you said "arguably" VERY brave GIs. The truth is many are not mentally or in some cases physically capable of going to war. If they were there they would be a danger to themselves and the soldiers around them. Did you think the people that ran to Canada during the Vietnam war were very brave?

FYI.

I'm sure that since you were IN Vietnam, and are a combat veteran yourself, you are aware of this, but.....

As the film so gallantly indicates, Fighting combat troops in Vietnam were the ones who effectively ended the war. The movement that ended the war was on military bases, by combat veterans. Nixon HAD to bomb Cambodia from the air, because the ground troops were collectively saying "FUCK YOU."

...but of course you already knew that.

I'm sure you knew about all the Vietnam Vets throwing their medals (yep they even earned combat medals) onto the steps of the capital bldg. in protest of what they knew to be a fucked up policy?

..or maybe you just don't want to know.

Sad to say, For you to throw shit at them without seeing it, is IMO a very telling indicator of the kind of person you are, (at least on these boards).

[bornright]

Originally Posted by JeffinCO

FYI.

I'm sure that since you were IN Vietnam, and are a combat veteran yourself, you are aware of this, but.....

As the film so gallantly indicates, Fighting combat troops in Vietnam were the ones who effectively ended the war. The movement that ended the war was on military bases, by combat veterans. Nixon HAD to bomb Cambodia from the air, because the ground troops were collectively saying "FUCK YOU."

...but of course you already knew that.

I'm sure you knew about all the Vietnam Vets throwing their medals (yep they even earned combat medals) onto the steps of the capital bldg. in protest of what they knew to be a fucked up policy?

..or maybe you just don't want to know.

Sad to say, For you to throw shit at them without seeing it, is IMO a very telling indicator of the kind of person you are, (at least on these boards).

It was a very small percentage of vets that threw their medals onto the capital steps. The vast majority of us came home, went back to college, work and raised families.

I was in the Marines and never personally saw anyone refuse to go on patrol or do their duty.

A few years ago I met a retired Major in the Army while working out at a health club. We discussed some of our experiences while in Vietnam. He told me that he was sent to a unit to investigate and recommend proper action on 14 individuals that had refused to go on patrol. Of these 14 individuals only one had seen any action at all. He recommended jail time which is exactly what I would have done especially those that had not done anything. My point is that this was a very rare thing to refuse to go into battle but the media did enjoy reporting on each and every one of them. They made it appear as though it was a everyday thing.

[bornright]

Originally Posted by JeffinCO

As the film so gallantly indicates, Fighting combat troops in Vietnam were the ones who effectively ended the war. The movement that ended the war was on military bases, by combat veterans. Nixon HAD to bomb Cambodia from the air, because the ground troops were collectively saying "FUCK YOU."

...but of course you already knew that.

I'm sure you knew about all the Vietnam Vets throwing their medals (yep they even earned combat medals) onto the steps of the capital bldg. in protest of what they knew to be a fucked up policy?

..or maybe you just don't want to know.

Sad to say, For you to throw shit at them without seeing it, is IMO a very telling indicator of the kind of person you are, (at least on these boards).

Vietnam veterans did not end the war. Congress did by taking away funding and later abandoning the south Vietnam people by not sending weapons and support to keep their nation from being over run by a Communist funded North Vietnam Army.

[BillCosby]

Originally Posted by bornright

Vietnam veterans did not end the war. Congress did by taking away funding and later abandoning the south Vietnam people by not sending weapons and support to keep their nation from being over run by a Communist funded North Vietnam Army.

By not sending weapons we abandoned those ppl..........lol

Why didn't those ppl we abandoned have a vote...???

Or have any say in any of this..??

It was the usa & the puppets that refused to allow the voting they agreed to........

If I recall they gave them lot of weapons. What they could not give them was a will to fight..........

Also we are not sending weapons to lots of countries. Are we abandoning them as well......???? Is this how it is defined... Weapons or no weapons.........???

[BillCosby]

Originally Posted by bornright

He recommended jail time which is exactly what I would have done especially those that had not done anything. My point is that this was a very rare thing to refuse to go into battle but the media did enjoy reporting on each and every one of them. They made it appear as though it was a everyday thing.

I recall reading that Russian officers would stand behind their solders w/ guns aimed @ their heads as they sent to them out to the front....... Essentially facing possible death in front of them or assured death behind them...........

Both you & your Russian counterparts use coercion in order to make your unwilling draftees kill.........

[bornright]

Originally Posted by BillCosby

By not sending weapons we abandoned those ppl..........lol

Why didn't those ppl we abandoned have a vote...???

Or have any say in any of this..??

It was the usa & the puppets that refused to allow the voting they agreed to........

If I recall they gave them lot of weapons. What they could not give them was a will to fight..........

Also we are not sending weapons to lots of countries. Are we abandoning them as well......???? Is this how it is defined... Weapons or no weapons.........???

You have to be aware that the US cut off funding to the South Vietnamese people. Throughout the war we helped beef up their military with weapons and supplies. That was all cut off which is why they lost to North Vietnam which was supported by China and Russia.

You must realize that a rifle has no value without ammunition. The results of our Congress abandoning the South Vietnamese people had a direct result to the slaughter and torture of many of the South Vietnamese people.