A Thread To Honor Our Military In Iraq

[Elliott]

Originally Posted by bornright

Supply is only in the hands of the middle east which control the prices of oil since the democrats have controlled the drilling in this country and off shore. Refineries are not being built because of liberal government restrictions.

I don't mean to offend you but going back to the purpose of this thread why don't you acknowledge the heroic acts of many of the military personal in Iraq?

You can extend your thanks here: A Better Thread to Honor Our Troops

[Kanadesaga]

Originally Posted by bornright

They behaved like democrats.

No, they behaved like power-mad republican assholes.

The truth is I did ignore all the negative posts of the troops in the beginning of the thread and just posted stories of heroic action of military personnel in Iraq. Apparently nobody else felt they did anything heroic as nobody else posted anything but gloom and doom. You attempted to turn the thread to a political thing. You hate President Bush......so I guess you hate the courage and honor of the military personnel in Iraq. That seems odd to me.

No what is odd is that you ty to extrapolate my hatred of the fucking retard from Texas to the troops. How lame, how typical, how sad. This is what you tighty rightys do all the time. You conflate two diametrically opposed things and try to to make them the same when they're not. How dishonest of you, how typical, how sad.

You state that you understand the bravery of the troops than I ever would. You state that isn't the point. That is the point and purpose of this thread. I realize it is very difficult for you to post on the thread if you keep that in mind. Being positive about the actions of the military personnel on honor and bravery is just more than you seem to be able to handle.

No, I find their bravery and honor apparent. What may not be so apparent is how your president has harmed them. How he has betrayed them. How he has used them for personal reasons. Obviously YOU can't deal with that.

[Kanadesaga]

Originally Posted by bornright

He actually was against that GI Bill because he liked another one better. It was not a choice of the democrat GI Bill or nothing. There were better bills out there.

Bullshit, mclame is a privledged party boy who is a traitor to his country. He was a substandard pilot who lost five planes under him. One while on a drunken flight to an Army-Navy game. Being an Admiral's son has its perks. Mclame is responsible for 134 dead sailors onboard the USS Forrestal. He is literally the Manchurian Candidate. He favors Vietnam, and supports their slave labor markets. Pretty strange for a man who was beaten for 5 years by them.

On a personal level, he divorced his crippled first wife and married a rich twat skank and has been hiding behind her money for decades.

I can't wait for the general when all this comes out and it will!

[bornright]

Kanadesaga please respond to this post and your opinion of it.


We don't hear about the heroes.
The incredibly brave GIs who honorably do their duty. The ones our
grandparents would have carried on their shoulders down Fifth Avenue.
The ones we completely ignore.
Like Brian Chontosh.
It was a year ago on the march into Baghdad. Brian Chontosh was a
platoon leader rolling up Highway 1 in a humvee.
When all hell broke loose.
Ambush city.
The young Marines were being cut to ribbons. Mortars, machine
guns, rocket propelled grenades. And the kid out of Churchville was in
charge. It was do or die and it was up to him.
So he moved to the side of his column, looking for a way to lead
his men to safety. As he tried to poke a hole through the Iraqi line his
humvee came under direct enemy machine gun fire.
It was fish in a barrel and the Marines were the fish.
And Brian Chontosh gave the order to attack. He told his driver to
floor the humvee directly at the machine gun emplacement that was firing
at them. And he had the guy on top with the .50 cal unload on them.
Within moments there were Iraqis slumped across the machine gun
and Chontosh was still advancing, ordering his driver now to take the
humvee directly into the Iraqi trench that was attacking his Marines.
Over into the battlement the humvee went and out the door Brian Chontosh
bailed, carrying an M16 and a Beretta and 228 years of Marine Corps
pride.
And he ran down the trench.
With its mortars and riflemen, machineguns and grenadiers.
And he killed them all.
He fought with the M16 until he was out of ammo. Then he fought
with the Beretta until it was out of ammo. Then he picked up a dead
man's AK47 and fought with that until it was out of ammo. Then he picked
up another dead man's AK47 and fought with that until it was out of
ammo.
At one point he even fired a discarded Iraqi RPG into an enemy
cluster, sending attackers flying with its grenade explosion.
When he was done Brian Chontosh had cleared 200 yards of
entrenched Iraqis from his platoon's flank. He had killed more than 20
and wounded at least as many more.
But that's probably not how he would tell it.
He would probably merely say that his Marines were in trouble, and
he got them out of trouble. Hoo-ah, and drive on.
"By his outstanding display of decisive leadership, unlimited
courage in the face of heavy enemy fire, and utmost devotion to duty,
1st Lt. Chontosh reflected great credit upon himself and upheld the
highest traditions of the Marine Corps and the United States Naval
Service."

Do you consider 1st Lt. Chontosh as a hero?

[Kanadesaga]

First of all, at least cite the source for this article you c/p. After all the march to Baghdad was over 5 years ago not last year. Do you now see why we find it so hard to believe anything you say or to respect your opinions? Integrity goes a long way. Adding a preamble and epilogue to someone else's writing does not speak to any integrity, it's called plagiarism. Certainly not something an honorable vet of the American military would do.

Now I know what you expect me to say. You think I will call him a murdering childkiller or worse. At least that is what you will read, regardless of what I write. But to answer your query.

Of course, 1st Lt. Controsh is a hero. He was a hero the first time you used his bravery to try and make a point months ago. Here is the point you continually seem to miss. Lt. Contosh's bravery, exemplary as it is, does not convey to the retard from Texas. Nor does it transfer over to the validity or righteousness of his cause. I am sure that enemies of ours have done brave and heroic things in past wars. Because they are our enemies does not diminsh that heroism.

I know that was a tough paragraph, huh? Let me break it down for you. First, you can't look at the world from the perspective of your own navel. See, when you lift your head up, you get to see a whole bunch of other stuff. That other stuff is called reality.

And the reality is that we went into Iraq on the personal whim of one man. Whatever influences were at play behind the scenes it was and is his decision alone. At anytime he could have realized the folly of his decision before March 20. But he didn't. Then at very least, he could have made sure that those troops were well protected and provided for. He didn't. I could go on and on about this, but I really despise talking to walls.

Secondly, if I were to use your somewhat muddled reasoning of transference. If Lt. Contosh's bravery validates the shrub, then Lindy England and crew certainly condemn him as a war criminal. You can't have it both ways. Only a child wants it both ways. Are you a child?

Lastly, I have a question for you. Why, on the eve of the Observed Memorial Day, do you post to me? Why do you not post about our soldiers and how we can help them, or at the very least, better inform ourselves. Like this:

iCasualties: Iraq Coalition Casualty Count

Veterans Organizations and Support Groups

Sources for Veterans Benefits, Aid, and Information

Or anything useful, instead of trying to drag another discourse out if me. You know what I believe, there is nothing short of god herself coming down and telling me the chimp was right will ever convince me otherwise.

[bornright]

Originally Posted by Kanadesaga

Of course, 1st Lt. Controsh is a hero.

My purpose of starting this thread was to honor the military troops in Iraq. I appreciate that you think he was a hero also. The rest of your post actually belongs on another thread where political trash talk is more appreciated.

[Kanadesaga]

Originally Posted by bornright

My purpose of starting this thread was to honor the military troops in Iraq. I appreciate that you think he was a hero also. The rest of your post actually belongs on another thread where political trash talk is more appreciated.

How soon we forget. This is typical of you tex. This is what you said:

Kanadesaga please respond to this post and your opinion of it.

You asked for my opinion, a dangerous thing. Now that I have given it, per your request, you say it doesn't belong!? Why doesn't it belong? Is it because it answers your question? Or you just don't like the truth of the answer? Again, in a childish manner, you want it both ways. I'm guessing 8th grade myself.

[bornright]

Originally Posted by Kanadesaga

How soon we forget. This is typical of you tex. This is what you said:



You asked for my opinion, a dangerous thing. Now that I have given it, per your request, you say it doesn't belong!? Why doesn't it belong? Is it because it answers your question? Or you just don't like the truth of the answer? Again, in a childish manner, you want it both ways. I'm guessing 8th grade myself.

You do realize that you saying I am young is not really an insult to someone my age.......Thanks.

The truth is that is the first time I have heard you say that one of the troops was a hero. The rest of that post and your prior posts were merely political trash which did not belong on this thread as it cheapens the honor of the brave troops.

[Kanadesaga]

Originally Posted by bornright

You do realize that you saying I am young is not really an insult to someone my age.......Thanks.

That I judge you to be an 8th grader is not a compliment. It means that the level of your discourse, your lack of facts and your continued persistence to admire the retard shows a maturity level and sophistication of a middle schooler.

The truth is that is the first time I have heard you say that one of the troops was a hero. The rest of that post and your prior posts were merely political trash which did not belong on this thread as it cheapens the honor of the brave troops.

Again, you asked my opinion. To now say that it isn't appropriate is disingenuous. Again a childish tactic when faced with a response you can't adequately respond to. The equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears. How mature.

[bornright]

Originally Posted by Kanadesaga

Again, you asked my opinion. To now say that it isn't appropriate is disingenuous. Again a childish tactic when faced with a response you can't adequately respond to. The equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears. How mature.

Let me try to explain this so you may understand. This thread is to tell of honor and bravery of the Troops. You placing your political views into it is foolish at best. There are many political threads that you can post "your" political views at. Give the troops a break and stay on topic on this thread unless you feel the troops are undeserving of being honored.