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I have read your stuff for a few years now but I gotta say I am a bit shocked you would actually expect me to be as naive or stupid as the believe all of America's motives & actions are somehow altruist....

When in fact they are self serving & hegemonic........

Going along ignoring/pretending may make you feel better but the world is full of countries that have been shit on.......... & they aint going to forget it....

A People's History of the United States:


Great read & you can find out about all the stuff you missed in school.....

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Preventive war is not war!!!!Counter-terror is not terror

Chuckweirdstone

I think that when the men who ran the war and were responsible for taking Hundreds of thousands of boys and men and grinding them in to a fine pulp, both physically and mentally, all agree that it was a terrible mistake and that they were all wrong. If there`s anyone that still believes that we had any business over there than there living in denial. I know its hard to believe that so many men and woman were killed and had to realize it was a mistake, is very hard to swallow. Never the less it was. That fucking war killed someone in every neighborhood any where you went back then. My friends. I supported the ones who went and the one who wouldn`t go. It will always be "that fucking war" to me.

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Jonesy

Of course it wasn't just. It was another I/SEA fascist war of aggression. These types almost always choose offense.

PursuitOfHappinessParty

It would be quite unique in the history of the U.S. if we didn't wholeheartedly and with full might support idiotic, special interest laden foreign policy with rather specific bonuses for wars. This country has been actively involved in one completely justifiable war since the Revolutionary war and that was WWII. The Civil War is it's own thread now, thanks to Ron Paul.

If our indignation points at men, then prepare for the marble sale in Washington. I prefer to aim my citizen's ire at the system in place.

We got what we've been programmed to believe we have to pay for. It's more and more becoming an Us and Them scenario when it comes to our Glorified Civil Servants. Our Lead Citizen doesn't resemble anybody I'd trust with my life much less project himself as the voice of me on the world stage. The people should never fear their government, their government should fear it's people. Gotta love Goldwater (prob. misquoted) when it came to soundbites before there was soundbites.

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Jonesy

We need to fix all these communists and fascists. Only Americans belong in the American government.

anhailla

simple answer...
no

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bornright

I have read your stuff for a few years now but I gotta say I am a bit shocked you would actually expect me to be as naive or stupid as the believe all of America's motives & actions are somehow altruist....

When in fact they are self serving & hegemonic........

Going along ignoring/pretending may make you feel better but the world is full of countries that have been shit on.......... & they aint going to forget it....

A People's History of the United States:


Great read & you can find out about all the stuff you missed in school.....[/quote]

We neither one know each others background but I must tell you that you seem to be extremely bitter against everything to do with this country. If you look in some of these leftist writings and sites you will find a lot of negative things against this country. The truth is with so much hate and anger in your heart for this country and its past you will not be able to look at anything it does in a fair and honest judgement. The truth is none of us has all the information.

You speak of Johnson lying about North Vietnam attacking one of our ships to give us an excuse to expand the Vietnam War, yet you believe everything the enemy and its supporters claim. That is not exactly keeping an open mind and judging on the facts that we have. I tend to believe the US over the other nations when there is a difference and I have no evidence one way or another.

Kanadesaga

As every nation is. It's just our national rhetoric is extremely full of shit.


It is a great read, how socialist of you comrade.




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School is only the beginning of an education.




Blame it on the rhetoric. When you lie about the national stopry and promise you thing s you have no intentoin on delivering and when people finally figure that out they tend to get pissed. You know the old "give me your poor..." bullshit. "Of the people, by the people, ..."bullshit. It gets to be a little much to swallow.


The question is why? Other than living here what reason do you have for believing anything this lying criminal administration has to say? The Gulf of Tonkin being a lie is an historical fact. If that bother s you don;t read real history, stick to Highlights.

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Jonesy

I'd have to say, we could probably remove any complex... no technology is needed. Depending on the extent of the complex, the process could be highly painful. I personally am not aware of any anesthetics. Another issue is what these complexes do for you... if the I/SEA complex was removed from an older person (50+), it would be like starting over. So much of the way they live and do things happens through the complex. It is like a vine in a garden inextricably wrapping itself around many other plants. When you remove the vine, the plants go too.

Kanadesaga

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