2 wars, troops in 150+ countries & the taX rate should be???? - Page 3

BillCosby · 03-08-2008, 04:22 PM

I must of phrased this all wrong.............

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& the taX rate should be????

A flat tax is a different animal that has some huge flaws but so does the present system...........

BillCosby · 03-08-2008, 04:23 PM

W/ the huge military spending as the priority as well as sucking up most of the money little is left for ppl..............

If you advocate cutting taxes are you cutting back on ppl stuff??

If you are for maintaining the present tax situation (which going into a recession will change) do you propose to continue deficit spending for ever....???

Is cutting military spending even on the table????

DanS. · 03-08-2008, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BillCosby

I must of phrased this all wrong.............

A flat tax is a different animal that has some huge flaws but so does the present system...........

sorry man...but like POHP said...I just don't have the info needed to give an exact number...

DanS. · 03-08-2008, 04:33 PM

I suppose if you wanted to know you'd take the 100 million workers...multiply that by the median wage approx $45,000 and then figure out what percentage of that is needed to pay the 2 trillion govt. budget....

BillCosby · 03-08-2008, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DRS112

sorry man...but like POHP said...I just don't have the info needed to give an exact number...

THnx................

PursuitOfHappinessParty · 03-09-2008, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DRS112

I suppose if you wanted to know you'd take the 100 million workers...multiply that by the median wage approx $45,000 and then figure out what percentage of that is needed to pay the 2 trillion govt. budget....

That would require a calculator made by Diebold......

BTW;
We've had the debate below before, we're both pretty stuck in our ways. I reread my previous post just now and wish to apologize for the elitest and unneccessary tone.

Kanadesaga · 03-09-2008, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DRS112

the WTO that we agreed to join.

It's the same reason that we can't subsidize steel or coal.

This would be America taking it in the ass in the name of free trade.

Jonesy · 03-09-2008, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BillCosby

We don't like paying taXes.. But then there ain't many things we do enjoy paying for either.........

I hear the taX cries & mcbush promises to make the bush taX cuts permanent.....

What rate would you say is appropriate given the high level of us military (& related) spending...........

Permanent tax cuts? Yeah... we'll have the same taxes from now until 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years from now.

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Originally Posted by Kanadesaga

This would be America taking it in the ass in the name of free trade.

Gotta love how the WTO tells us what to do.

PursuitOfHappinessParty · 03-09-2008, 05:14 AM

To me, either you believe in minimum wage, or not.
If you don't, whatever.

If you do, then you can't allow imported items that pay 1/100th of 1 percentage to wage to the person making the item (Like a shirt or shoe). That harms the whole purpose and ideology behind the reason for minimum wage. To prevent slave labor. Now you can't handicap that nor can you as a Western Democracy support slavery of any type anywhere. If you allow them the freedom to undercut us at the wage area, we must balance at the tax area. That money is can then be used for foreign policy right back if need be. The point will be that both sides will have postive motivations for balancing the difference and it won't be at the cost of the American working class, nor the backs of slaves.
As to present and future WTOs, without any national boundry-altering special-interest Corporatist agendas by our elected officials, the non-threatening and completely justifiable circumstances combined with our GNP, military promises, military period, and most importantly to world economy SHOPPING AND BUYING HABITS would tend to make countries a tad bit skittish.
They also won't forget that Bush proved that if he has the will, and by extenstion the mandate of American Citizens, he is quite capable of telling other countries waving signatures to stuff it.

IMHO, of course. You could probably say that when it comes to policy and security I'm an isolationist. I also believe that we can balance our economy and foreign trade with American products. Service and Technology aren't the top of the ladder, they are but a rung. We've gotten too far away from a balance of these industries with production. Creation is a conservative engine of revenue generation as opposed to NeoCon redistribution. We've left an entire revenue source to rot with ruinous trade ideology. In a really, really big country with lots and lots of consumers. With lots of natural resources and still has lots of rural space. We have the international buying clout to do it.

Jonesy · 03-09-2008, 06:37 AM

There are probably a good amount of military programs we could cut, and they would not have any negative effects. There are also a lot of other programs we could probably cut. Agencies we could shut down. If we were truly interested in making this country run as well as it possibly can, I have no doubt the country could be substantially improved.

Unfortunately, most modern Americans are fascists or communists, so they have weird, stupid, and usually evil agendas.

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DanS. Administrator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,410 My Mood: Thanks: 141 Thanked 317 Times in 236 Posts	I suppose if you wanted to know you'd take the 100 million workers...multiply that by the median wage approx $45,000 and then figure out what percentage of that is needed to pay the 2 trillion govt. budget....
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PursuitOfHappinessParty BigPictureist Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Dallas/Ft. Worth Posts: 4,571 My Mood: Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 216 Thanked 184 Times in 142 Posts	To me, either you believe in minimum wage, or not. If you don't, whatever. If you do, then you can't allow imported items that pay 1/100th of 1 percentage to wage to the person making the item (Like a shirt or shoe). That harms the whole purpose and ideology behind the reason for minimum wage. To prevent slave labor. Now you can't handicap that nor can you as a Western Democracy support slavery of any type anywhere. If you allow them the freedom to undercut us at the wage area, we must balance at the tax area. That money is can then be used for foreign policy right back if need be. The point will be that both sides will have postive motivations for balancing the difference and it won't be at the cost of the American working class, nor the backs of slaves. As to present and future WTOs, without any national boundry-altering special-interest Corporatist agendas by our elected officials, the non-threatening and completely justifiable circumstances combined with our GNP, military promises, military period, and most importantly to world economy SHOPPING AND BUYING HABITS would tend to make countries a tad bit skittish. They also won't forget that Bush proved that if he has the will, and by extenstion the mandate of American Citizens, he is quite capable of telling other countries waving signatures to stuff it. IMHO, of course. You could probably say that when it comes to policy and security I'm an isolationist. I also believe that we can balance our economy and foreign trade with American products. Service and Technology aren't the top of the ladder, they are but a rung. We've gotten too far away from a balance of these industries with production. Creation is a conservative engine of revenue generation as opposed to NeoCon redistribution. We've left an entire revenue source to rot with ruinous trade ideology. In a really, really big country with lots and lots of consumers. With lots of natural resources and still has lots of rural space. We have the international buying clout to do it. __________________ " Tie two birds together and though they have four wings they cannot fly " Blind Master in 'Circle Of Iron'
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03-09-2008, 06:37 AM	#30 (permalink)
Jonesy Truth Lion Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,554 Thanks: 10 Thanked 32 Times in 23 Posts	There are probably a good amount of military programs we could cut, and they would not have any negative effects. There are also a lot of other programs we could probably cut. Agencies we could shut down. If we were truly interested in making this country run as well as it possibly can, I have no doubt the country could be substantially improved. Unfortunately, most modern Americans are fascists or communists, so they have weird, stupid, and usually evil agendas.
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