McCain adviser apologizes for September 11 comment - Page 6

anhailla · 06-24-2008, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ericgtr

Yep, just as bad as deregulation I am sure

Last week I watched a special on TLC about dams breaking and the potential of future breaks. They didn't strike a political tone at all during their special but it got me thinking, if there was no regulation a lot more people would be dead. Land owners who put them on the back burner were responsible for every last person who died.

There are so many cases where leaving shit in the hands of people who show a total lack of responsibility is the absolute worst possible thing you can do. I am not saying the government or states should run everything with an iron fist but there are certainly cases where it's absolutely necessary.

Right...think about the implication, a country based entirely on free markets, where the consumer has NO PROTECTION from the corporation. Corporations have NO accountability...(we are almost there anyway), but apparently that's not good enough for some folks...
They want to be dominated by big business, "it's the government that's the boogey man."... no it's not, it's the greed...always the greed.

"Oh sorry...10,000 kids just died because their toys were poisoned?... don't worry that company will go out of business soon, the market will ADJUST"

If the government steps in and says "hey, no more making poisonous toys"...that's regulation and that makes you a "socialist".

whatever....more crazy right wing BS.

DanS. · 06-24-2008, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by anhailla

Right...think about the implication, a country based entirely on free markets, where the consumer has NO PROTECTION from the corporation. Corporations have NO accountability...(we are almost there anyway), but apparently that's not good enough for some folks...
They want to be dominated by big business, "it's the government that's the boogey man."... no it's not, it's the greed...always the greed.

"Oh sorry...10,000 kids just died because their toys were poisoned?... don't worry that company will go out of business soon, the market will ADJUST"

If the government steps in and says "hey, no more making poisonous toys"...that's regulation and that makes you a "socialist".

whatever....more crazy right wing BS.

To be honest any legislation intended to prevent what happened would be for show....it really wouldn't DO anything...

Kanadesaga · 06-24-2008, 10:27 PM

I don;t argue the semantics, I admit that I'm a socialist commie pinko! corporations should pay heavily for the opportunity to make a profit in our great nation.

anhailla · 06-24-2008, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DRS112

To be honest any legislation intended to prevent what happened would be for show....it really wouldn't DO anything...

The law can seek to be just DRS, the idea is people protect each other...abodaning laws and regulation and trusting markets alone?
no way my friend.

DanS. · 06-24-2008, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by anhailla

The law can seek to be just DRS, the idea is people protect each other...abodaning laws and regulation and trusting markets alone?
no way my friend.

I'm not arguing that laws shouldn't be just....I'm just saying that while what happened is VERY VERY unfortunate...what is there that could be done? I'm sure you'll admit that it wasn't intentional...I'm also sure that you'll admit that there is no way to test every product by the govt....so what are you left with? Punishing those that would do it intentionally...which is already illegal....and we also have civil courts to deal with the unintentional stuff....

Some stuff is based on a learning curve...look over the years at the stuff that was around when we were kids that only later did we figure out that it was a stupid idea.....lawn dart etc....it's not like some corportation said we want to poke kids eyes out....it ended up happening though and we/they said Oh Shit!! No more lawn darts...

hindsight is great.....

DanS. · 06-24-2008, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Kanadesaga

I don;t argue the semantics, I admit that I'm a socialist commie pinko! corporations should pay heavily for the opportunity to make a profit in our great nation.

So what? tax the hell out of them, hope they don't close their doors, and have the government spend the money on some pork project back home, or to wage a war, or to sit in a coffer somewhere and not generate more economic growth?

It's been tried already....Europe was mired in stagflation for years....

DanS. · 06-24-2008, 10:57 PM

To elaborate on the stagflation deal....here is just one example of how higher taxes makes things worse besides us paying more for goods....as taxes increase the incentive to finance the company through debt increases....meaning the company will seek to decrease equity...which means less investments for the rest of us...it also means that interest rates will be pushed higher as there is a higher demand for borrowing...so now our ability to invest is limited(because the investments available will be limited and because we have less to invest), we're paying more for goods and have less disposable income AND we're paying higher interest rates making large purchases more difficult...houses, cars etc....now...I'm sure you can imagine what happens from there to the demand for goods....and what businesses do when less people are buying their goods....

VKMHVM2 · 06-24-2008, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Kanadesaga

I don;t argue the semantics, I admit that I'm a socialist commie pinko! corporations should pay heavily for the opportunity to make a profit in our great nation.

Do you read the World Socialist Web Site? They have had some of the best Iraq War articles over the last several years.

anhailla · 06-24-2008, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DRS112

I'm not arguing that laws shouldn't be just....I'm just saying that while what happened is VERY VERY unfortunate...what is there that could be done? I'm sure you'll admit that it wasn't intentional...I'm also sure that you'll admit that there is no way to test every product by the govt....so what are you left with? Punishing those that would do it intentionally...which is already illegal....and we also have civil courts to deal with the unintentional stuff....

I was using a made up example...did 10,000 kids actually die?

yes..you punish them when they make mistakes, that helps with the accountability right from the git-go...
safe procedures, safe practice, safe working conditions for the employees, safe product for the consumer.

DanS. · 06-25-2008, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by anhailla

I was using a made up example...did 10,000 kids actually die?

yes..you punish them when they make mistakes, that helps with the accountability right from the git-go...
safe procedures, safe practice, safe working conditions for the employees, safe product for the consumer.

lol...no 10,000 didn't die....I just took the hyperbole in stride

and yeah, those that are injured are able to seek retribution from the companies...which serve as compensation and punishment....

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DanS. Administrator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,332 My Mood: Thanks: 137 Thanked 309 Times in 229 Posts	To elaborate on the stagflation deal....here is just one example of how higher taxes makes things worse besides us paying more for goods....as taxes increase the incentive to finance the company through debt increases....meaning the company will seek to decrease equity...which means less investments for the rest of us...it also means that interest rates will be pushed higher as there is a higher demand for borrowing...so now our ability to invest is limited(because the investments available will be limited and because we have less to invest), we're paying more for goods and have less disposable income AND we're paying higher interest rates making large purchases more difficult...houses, cars etc....now...I'm sure you can imagine what happens from there to the demand for goods....and what businesses do when less people are buying their goods....
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