Randon Ua's In The Workplace - Page 2

gorillamom · 12-30-2007, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by anhailla

well this is disturbing...D.I. is a medical condition, which is treated frequently
but yet, your "state" doesn't recognize it?
hope you had a attorney...

Try finding an attorney that will take it. My disease is too rare so it would cost more than I could get. Our Senator put a cap on award amounts to almost nill unless you die. I have to take it to the State Legislature. One thing about me though, I'm a fighter who won't give up. Did you noticed how I voted? I was the first voter.

anhailla · 12-30-2007, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by gorillamom

Another reason was my brother was injured at work. Another worker dropped a door on him. He had to do a random UA. They said he had alohol and methadose, not methadone, in his system. He quit drinking in 2001, and he doesn't use any drugs, yet he failed and now they are harrassing him at work over it. Think about who really pushes random UA's. The insurance companies. If you don't do it, the companies rates go up. Good people are loosing their jobs not only for something they have not done, but for what they do in the privacy oftheir own home off the clock. Marijuana stays in a mornal person fat cells for about 30 days.

I agree with this actually.....that's why I said it depends on the field of the employee.

I don't know what your brother does..but if someone drops a door on a doctor ..the doctor doesnt get tested...but if a doctor comes to work smelling like alcohol than the hospital needs a legal way to protect the patients....hence needs to test the doctor.

it comes down to company policies.....and the law SHOULD protect
liberties which SHOULD ban most testing.
but like I said....there are fields where it is needed.

anhailla · 12-30-2007, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by gorillamom

Try finding an attorney that will take it. My disease is too rare so it would cost more than I could get. Our Senator put a cap on award amounts to almost nill unless you die. I have to take it to the State Legislature. One thing about me though, I'm a fighter who won't give up. Did you noticed how I voted? I was the first voter.

I did notice how you voted. I think typically a UA is going to be a violation of privacy...but I couldn't also say that they usually show false results. (especially when used with serum)

I think a drug screen is only neccessary in a small percentage of cases...and most certainly not neccessary just because someone lofts a bullshit allegation at someone else

gorillamom · 12-30-2007, 01:43 PM

I think people shouldn't be afraid to be asked if they had used anything. The policies and laws promote absolute secrecy. Better to be honest and let your employer decide if you get to work, or be put in a different less harmful job for that day.

gorillamom · 12-30-2007, 01:49 PM

I also may not have had to go through what I went through when I was Ivan the Gorillas keeper. My co-workers were using pot, alcohol, and meth. I collected some of Ivan's hair and told the zoos to have it tested. I also went to the USDA, and Congressman Norm Dicks. Nothing was done and I was fired. I never went to work high, but I did smoke my pot after work. Believe me, no reason to get high with a job working with gorillas. That is a high all on it's own.

anhailla · 12-30-2007, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gorillamom

I think people shouldn't be afraid to be asked if they had used anything. The policies and laws promote absolute secrecy. Better to be honest and let your employer decide if you get to work, or be put in a different less harmful job for that day.

I had a situation where the smell of alcohol was obvious. The person denied it. I could not in good conscience...let the person work, especially considering what the person was about ready to do.
So...it was a breathalyzer or leave work...they failed the breathalyzer and have not been back since. (by their own choice)
I guess the point is...situations are so dramatically different. Your brothers case is absurd...but I know that it is common, and I agree with you that in that situation his privacy was violated.

anhailla · 12-30-2007, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by gorillamom

I also may not have had to go through what I went through when I was Ivan the Gorillas keeper. My co-workers were using pot, alcohol, and meth. I collected some of Ivan's hair and told the zoos to have it tested. I also went to the USDA, and Congressman Norm Dicks. Nothing was done and I was fired. I never went to work high, but I did smoke my pot after work. Believe me, no reason to get high with a job working with gorillas. That is a high all on it's own.

Was Ivan the one kept at the mall?????

gorillamom · 12-30-2007, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anhailla

I had a situation where the smell of alcohol was obvious. The person denied it. I could not in good conscience...let the person work, especially considering what the person was about ready to do.
So...it was a breathalyzer or leave work...they failed the breathalyzer and have not been back since. (by their own choice)
I guess the point is...situations are so dramatically different. Your brothers case is absurd...but I know that it is common, and I agree with you that in that situation his privacy was violated.

You did the right thing. That person had no business going to work after drinking. It all comes down to knowing what too look and smell for in your workers. Logic and common sense.

CosmicRocker · 12-30-2007, 05:26 PM

at one time ( before the body snatchers took over the courts)
internal possesion was not arrestable.

Now it ACTUALLY is here in Florida, under "public intoxication laws", and the cops use it too.

It's all about half assed measures passed in the hysteria on the "war on drugs"
( thank you Mr. Regan

).

I am firmy in favor of behavioral laws. Get messed up and drive, well you are putting others at risk.
Show up at work IMPAIRED ( not simply having metabolites in you) and get fired.
That makes sense.

But this internal possesion thing is a complete infringement on our very bodies.

gorillamom · 12-30-2007, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by anhailla

Was Ivan the one kept at the mall?????

Yes. Go look at my photo album on my profile. I haven't finished adding pictures yet.

View Poll Results: ARE THEY ACCURATE
Are U.A.'s accurate	1	14.29%
Not accurate	0	0%
violation of privacy	6	85.71%
Waste of a good employee	0	0%
Voters: 7. You may not vote on this poll

12-30-2007, 01:43 PM	#14 (permalink)
gorillamom Beyond Liberal Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: The Great Pacific Northwest Posts: 2,153 My Mood: Thanks: 47 Thanked 13 Times in 7 Posts	I think people shouldn't be afraid to be asked if they had used anything. The policies and laws promote absolute secrecy. Better to be honest and let your employer decide if you get to work, or be put in a different less harmful job for that day. __________________ The Clock of life is wound but once, And no man has the power, To tell just when the hands will stop On what day or what hour. Now is the only time we have, So live it with a will, Don't wait until tomorrow, The hands may then be still.
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12-30-2007, 01:49 PM	#15 (permalink)
gorillamom Beyond Liberal Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: The Great Pacific Northwest Posts: 2,153 My Mood: Thanks: 47 Thanked 13 Times in 7 Posts	I also may not have had to go through what I went through when I was Ivan the Gorillas keeper. My co-workers were using pot, alcohol, and meth. I collected some of Ivan's hair and told the zoos to have it tested. I also went to the USDA, and Congressman Norm Dicks. Nothing was done and I was fired. I never went to work high, but I did smoke my pot after work. Believe me, no reason to get high with a job working with gorillas. That is a high all on it's own. __________________ The Clock of life is wound but once, And no man has the power, To tell just when the hands will stop On what day or what hour. Now is the only time we have, So live it with a will, Don't wait until tomorrow, The hands may then be still.
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12-30-2007, 05:26 PM	#19 (permalink)
CosmicRocker Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: lost in a lost world Posts: 7,336 My Mood: Thanks: 106 Thanked 79 Times in 62 Posts	at one time ( before the body snatchers took over the courts) internal possesion was not arrestable. Now it ACTUALLY is here in Florida, under "public intoxication laws", and the cops use it too. It's all about half assed measures passed in the hysteria on the "war on drugs" ( thank you Mr. Regan ). I am firmy in favor of behavioral laws. Get messed up and drive, well you are putting others at risk. Show up at work IMPAIRED ( not simply having metabolites in you) and get fired. That makes sense. But this internal possesion thing is a complete infringement on our very bodies. __________________ time to dump all that self doubt, hate, distrust, envy, paranoia, and overdue library books. tune in today. ponder tomorrow. Forget yesterday. the river doesn't run in reverse
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