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Old 01-10-2008, 10:26 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Interesting topic. I think that mental disorders exist, but a lot of the recent ones (such as ADD) that have popped up I think are essentially bunk and are being used as an excuse to continue patronage between psychiatrists and pharmacudical industry in order to pump people up on drugs. The solution given is always more drugs and I think they often screw some people up more then they were before.

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ADHD/ ADD is over diagnosed a lot but that doesn't mean the disorder doesn't exist. It does.

Unfortunately, there's lots kids who are misdiagnosed with it and who are put on meds when they don't need to be. And there's kids who do actually have it but who are way over medicated.

Teachers and pediatricians shouldn't be the ones diagnosing ADHD, if they have concerns about a child, they need to refer him/her to a therapist or psychiatrist. And parents should always get a second opinion if they don't feel the diagnosis fits.
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Old 01-10-2008, 10:37 AM   #22 (permalink)
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No offense but this doesn't make a lot of sense. If you're asking if chemical imbalances in the brain are real disorders the answer is yes. You talk about dopamine deficiency but in some chemical imbalances, schizophrenia for example, there is too much dopamine.

A deficiency or excess of any neurotransmitter is going to cause disfunction in many areas. Which is why it needs to be treated or corrected.
As long as the doctors get it right. I worked at Western State Mental Hospital and so many patients were misdiagnosed, given the wrong medication which made them worse. They really don't know enough about the brain from what I've seen to make a big difference unless they use natural chemicals removed from cadavors. I've seen too many really bad side effects from patients being prescribed the wrong medications for their "Chemical" imbalances. And lets not forget that when you go to the bathroom, both 1 & 2 or even throw up you are flucsing down the very medication you ingest. Many of the new medications can not be washed out of the treated water. Some places actually use treated water as their drinking water. And they wonder why these is so much illness and depression in this country!
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Interesting topic but I don't see a fit with politics (directly anyway) so I've moved it. Carry on.
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Old 01-10-2008, 11:15 AM   #24 (permalink)
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As long as the doctors get it right. I worked at Western State Mental Hospital and so many patients were misdiagnosed, given the wrong medication which made them worse. They really don't know enough about the brain from what I've seen to make a big difference unless they use natural chemicals removed from cadavors. I've seen too many really bad side effects from patients being prescribed the wrong medications for their "Chemical" imbalances. And lets not forget that when you go to the bathroom, both 1 & 2 or even throw up you are flucsing down the very medication you ingest. Many of the new medications can not be washed out of the treated water. Some places actually use treated water as their drinking water. And they wonder why these is so much illness and depression in this country!
Oh, I agree with you, I used to do discharge planning with kids and adolescents who were in psych hospitals and I'd say the majority of them were on the wrong meds or on too many meds. All which made what was going on worse. Fortunately there were a few good psychiatrists who were able to make a correct diagnosis and get the kid either on the right meds or in some cases off all meds. But there were also a lot of psyciatrists who had absolutely no clue.
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Old 01-10-2008, 11:18 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Oh, I agree with you, I used to do discharge planning with kids and adolescents who were in psych hospitals and I'd say the majority of them were on the wrong meds or on too many meds. All which made what was going on worse. Fortunately there were a few good psychiatrists who were able to make a correct diagnosis and get the kid either on the right meds or in some cases off all meds. But there were also a lot of psyciatrists who had absolutely no clue.
Yes. My sister-in-law has soft casts on her legs, they don't know what is happening to her they say, so they have her on 9 different medications. My brother is finding her asleep with her hands in her food, he will wake up 3-4 times a night and find her asleep on the toilet. My first question will be; Did they put her on methadine or methadose for pain? They are killer her with all the meds.
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Yes. My sister-in-law has soft casts on her legs, they don't know what is happening to her they say, so they have her on 9 different medications. My brother is finding her asleep with her hands in her food, he will wake up 3-4 times a night and find her asleep on the toilet. My first question will be; Did they put her on methadine or methadose for pain? They are killer her with all the meds.
Wow, I'm sorry about your sister in law. This kind of thing, where people are over medicated to the point where it's really dangerous, seems to keep happening to so many people. It's very scary.

While meds obviously help people they can also do a lot of damage. When people are sick or hospitalized they need an advocate, either a family member,a friend or someone to make sure they're not being over medicated or on the wrong meds.

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The time distortion thing is something every experiences... like 'time flies when you're having fun'. When you have this dopamine thing, it's almost like you get a more extreme version. It's so bad for me, my father and brother used to make fun of me. They called it 'NST' - Nick Standard Time.

I literally can't tell time at all... sometimes it feels like 5 minutes when it's actually been 2 hours. Or maybe 5 years seems like 2 days. I don't notice the changes in my own perception. For me, everything is always the same; for others, I move at different speeds.

At this point, I can hyperfocus deliberately. I would think if I was trained since childhood, I could have complete control and use it at will.
i hear ya. ADHD too. i have NO concept of time. kinda funny, my family said i worked on "chris time".
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This is exactly the distinction i'm trying to make. These 'disorders' are not medical problems. They are part of evolution and the problem is in the structure of society - an issue for political science. In fact, these 'disorders' have almost nothing - if not nothing - to do with the medical community (a community filled with asinine morons). This community believes in their own primitive, rudimentary, retarded man-made ideas about medicine over what the universe determines to be correct.

Isn't it true medicine is merely a trick we've found to make our lives more pleasurable and carefree? In our desire for short-term pleasure, perhaps we have failed miserably to see the bigger picture?
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Old 01-10-2008, 05:42 PM   #29 (permalink)
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How about this for proper balance:

Until a person is done reproducing, they should not receive any medical care.
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Wow, I'm sorry about your sister in law. This kind of thing, where people are over medicated to the point where it's really dangerous, seems to keep happening to so many people. It's very scary.

While meds obviously help people they can also do a lot of damage. When people are sick or hospitalized they need an advocate, either a family member,a friend or someone to make sure they're not being over medicated or on the wrong meds.

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We are trying. My brother is going to talk to her primary care doctor and tell him enough with the meds. If she's in pain, give the proper pain medication because some target certain areas for certain injuries. If they don't know what it is on her legs, they can't identifiy it they say, but no one else is getting it. If they think she's dying tell my brother and let them take care of things. But it's eaiser to keep people in the dark, catch them by surprise and take everything they own in medical bills.
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