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US Has Highest Cancer Survival Rates in the World

This little fact has been buried in MSM as they advocate for socialized medicine. Notice that this article was published in the U.K.’s The Telegraph, lamenting their low cancer survival rates. This is not published anywhere in MSM newspapers.

UK cancer survival lowest in Europe
Cancer survival rates in Britain are among the lowest in Europe, according to the most comprehensive analysis of the issue yet produced.



European cancer survival rates




England is on a par with Poland despite the NHS spending three times more on health care.

Survival rates are based on the number of patients who are alive five years after diagnosis and researchers found that, for women, England was the fifth worst in a league of 22 countries. Scotland came bottom. Cancer experts blamed late diagnosis and long waiting lists.

In total, 52.7pc of women survived for five years after being diagnosed between 2000 and 2002. Only Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, the Czech Republic and Poland did worse. Just 44.8pc of men survived, putting England in the bottom seven countries.

The team, writing in The Lancet Oncology, found that Britain's survival rates for the most common cancers - colorectal, lung, breast and prostate - were substantially behind those in Western Europe. In England, the proportion of women with breast cancer who were alive five years after diagnosis was 77.8pc. Scotland (77.3pc) and Ireland (76.2pc) had a lower rate.

Rates for lung cancer in England were poor, with only 8.4pc of patients surviving - half the rate for Iceland (16.8pc). Only Scotland (8.2pc) and Malta (4.6pc) did worse.
Fewer women in England lived for five years after being diagnosed with cervical cancer (58.6pc) despite a national screening programme. This compared to 70.6pc in Iceland. Dr Franco Berrino, who led the study at the National Cancer Institute in Milan, said cancer care was improving in countries that recorded low survival figures. He added: "If all countries attained the mean survival (57pc) of Norway, Sweden and Finland, about 12pc fewer deaths would occur in the five years after diagnosis."

His co-researcher, Prof Ian Kunkler from the Western General Hospital in Edinburgh, said waiting lists for radiotherapy were partly to blame.

"Although there has been a substantial investment in radiotherapy facilities, there is still a shortfall," he said.
"We have good evidence that survival for lung cancer has been compromised by long waiting lists for radiotherapy treatment."

A second article, which looked at 2.7 million patients diagnosed between 1995 and 1999, found that countries that spent the most on health per capita per year had better survival rates.

Britain was the exception. Despite spending up to £1,500 on health per person per year, it recorded similar survival rates for Hodgkin's disease and lung cancer as Poland, which spends a third of that amount.

An accompanying editorial said the figures showed that the NHS Cancer Plan, published in 2000, was not working.

"Survival in England has only increased at a similar rate to other European countries and has not caught up with the absolute values seen elsewhere," it said.
Prof Richard Sullivan at Cancer Research UK said: "Cancer is still not being diagnosed early enough in all cases."
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Canada didn't make the list, and that's the country we (well, some) are worshipping as a model for healthcare? Uh oh.
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Minty's attempt at disinformation has already backfired, sonce the rest of the countries at the top of that list all have socialized medicine. Also, what she fails to realize is that the cancer rate survival numbers from the U.K. have nothing to do with their healthcare system whatsoever.
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Canada didn't make the list, and that's the country we (well, some) are worshipping as a model for healthcare? Uh oh.
Interestingly, no. I noticed that too.
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Minty's attempt at disinformation has already backfired, sonce the rest of the countries at the top of that list all have socialized medicine. Also, what she fails to realize is that the cancer rate survival numbers from the U.K. have nothing to do with their healthcare system whatsoever.
No socialized model exists that covers 350 million people so you have no proportional comparison. The only examples you have, which already, leave much to be desired, equate to a state-run system in the U.S. Imagine the monumental disaster one the size the of US would be.

The study found that countries that spent the most on health per capita per year had better survival rates. Coincidence? I think not.
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Minty's attempt at disinformation has already backfired, sonce the rest of the countries at the top of that list all have socialized medicine. Also, what she fails to realize is that the cancer rate survival numbers from the U.K. have nothing to do with their healthcare system whatsoever.
Yea...I had a friend die of cancer at age 35. She was a teacher. she started battling the cancer when she was 26. Her private insurance company dropped her when she was no longer able to work. (that can happen when you battle a disease for years) You see Minty, it's hard for CEO's to pay for 6 mansions if they continue to insure people with cancer, so they find a way to drop you.

her and her husband and their children lost their home due when they began to use savings and credit cards to personally pay some of her bills. well...she died, but not before Blue cross blue shield forced her into bankruptcy...by dropping her policy.

Ironically, Medicaid agreed to take her and she was able to get good coverage for pain control and chemo the last two years.
Go figure...the evil government bailed out one of it's citizens that was F*cked over by a private corporation.

so minty...you keep posted garbage about our shitty profit driven system, and keep your fingers crossed that you don't get sick.
That private insurance you love so much is going to find a way to screw you over...
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No socialized model exists that covers 350 million people so you have no proportional comparison. The only examples you have, which already, leave much to be desired, equate to a state-run system in the U.S. Imagine the monumental disaster one the size the of US would be.

The study found that countries that spent the most on health per capita per year had better survival rates. Coincidence? I think not.
no model existed for the country in the first place, what a dumb excuse that is.
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no model existed for the country in the first place, what a dumb excuse that is.
How can you say it will work here, when you have nothing to compare it to?

It would take a socialized system that covered every country in the EU to have a proportional comparison to the U.S. Why is that so complicated to understand?
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Yea...I had a friend die of cancer at age 35. She was a teacher. she started battling the cancer when she was 26. Her private insurance company dropped her when she was no longer able to work. (that can happen when you battle a disease for years) You see Minty, it's hard for CEO's to pay for 6 mansions if they continue to insure people with cancer, so they find a way to drop you.

her and her husband and their children lost their home due when they began to use savings and credit cards to personally pay some of her bills. well...she died, but not before Blue cross blue shield forced her into bankruptcy...by dropping her policy.

Ironically, Medicaid agreed to take her and she was able to get good coverage for pain control and chemo the last two years.
Go figure...the evil government bailed out one of it's citizens that was F*cked over by a private corporation.

so minty...you keep posted garbage about our shitty profit driven system, and keep your fingers crossed that you don't get sick.
That private insurance you love so much is going to find a way to screw you over...
I'm sorry about your friend and I don't doubt that. I know there needs to be healthcare reform but my concern is sacrificing quality. I don't want the govt to force doctors out of private practice and I want to make my own choices re: healthcare services. Access to healthcare is a right. Making someone else pay for it is not.

The concept that tax dollars can be turned over to the government and then turned back to the public in a "better" health care product is totally illogical. Furthermore, health care choices are so individualized that they belong in the hands of the consumer making consumer choices, and not where dental, vision, and "well-child care" are FREE (to them). People don't respect what costs them nothing. You have only to look at our public education system (especially in the inner cities) to get this concept. Make basic health care a requirement, and you will see it even more affordable than it already is.
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Yea...I had a friend die of cancer at age 35. She was a teacher. she started battling the cancer when she was 26. Her private insurance company dropped her when she was no longer able to work. (that can happen when you battle a disease for years) You see Minty, it's hard for CEO's to pay for 6 mansions if they continue to insure people with cancer, so they find a way to drop you.

her and her husband and their children lost their home due when they began to use savings and credit cards to personally pay some of her bills. well...she died, but not before Blue cross blue shield forced her into bankruptcy...by dropping her policy.

Ironically, Medicaid agreed to take her and she was able to get good coverage for pain control and chemo the last two years.
Go figure...the evil government bailed out one of it's citizens that was F*cked over by a private corporation.

so minty...you keep posted garbage about our shitty profit driven system, and keep your fingers crossed that you don't get sick.
That private insurance you love so much is going to find a way to screw you over...
Medicaid is administered by the state one resides in. It's much more manageable than a mega federal system where I fear, patients will fall through the cracks if not put on hold while they grow sicker while doctors sift their way through the reams of paperwork required by the government to allow coverage and procedures.

I know you think a new system will solve all our problems, and I don't deny it's unacceptable that people like your friend wasn't taken care of properly. But the government is plenty capable of screwing people over too. I'm afraid of giving them more control of my life (literally, our lives would be in their hands) than they already have.
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