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Old 11-18-2007, 12:41 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Watch this shit:

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I hope OPEC doesn't follow Iran and Venezuela's proposal to drop dollar.

End of petrodollar?

This shit is definitely out in the open now yo.
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Old 11-18-2007, 04:28 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Like how? I'll call the city ASAP, if my neighbor is firing up a diesel generator.

Wind? Not enough around my hood.

Solar? Try to power my dryers? No chance.

Do the math, it ain't possible.
Actually solar power is making huge strides. There's flexible photovoltaic siding, even paint. Also, the effociency is increasing. At present it's 15% with is a three fold improvement from ten years ago. And who's to say we won't extend that from visible light on upto ultraviolet, which are higher energy frequencies.
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Old 11-18-2007, 08:47 AM   #23 (permalink)
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In all fairness the lack of alternative sources of energy has less to do with "Big Oil" than it has to do with the fact that oil is the cheapest and most efficient fuel source right now. As Heretic pointed out, when it is no longer the cheapest then we will see alternatives. The biggest shocker to everybody here is that the same people that sell you your oil will be the same people that sell you your "alternative".
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Old 11-18-2007, 09:05 AM   #24 (permalink)
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It may be difficult to switch after all the years Big Oil has been stonewalling anything that will reduce their profits.
Why do you think alternative fuels will shrink their profits?

We will fill our cars with whatever that new fuel is at our local filling stations.

Exxon et al wil make money off the new fuel, and they won't care if they make the money pumping oil or somthing else.

We are not going to have a lot of new stations pop up to fill your car with hydrogen, for example. You'll fill up at the same places you fill up now.

The biggest obstacle to all of this, my view, is keeping whatever the new fuel is competitive, price wise, with gas.

Exxon et al knows that if the new fuel/s are a buck a gallon more than gas, they won't sell.
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Old 11-18-2007, 09:09 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Strange that the U.S. running out of oil back in the 70s didn't "motovate" some change.
Actually, it did.

For several years, mpg was a major selling point for cars. In search of better gas mileage, people bought Japanese cars and found them of higher quality.

Those gas lines also triggered some research into alternatiaves.

Then the oil lines were gone, prices were down, and we went back to our old selves.

Bust, some of the research triggered then has continued. We now hove hybrids, brought to us by Japanese engineering.

There are also working prototyps of hydrogen cars.

The problem with any new fuel is getting it to your vehicle at a cost competitve with gasoline.
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Nope. It was predicted by an expert in the field 25 years before that U.S. gas supplies were going to peak in the 1970s and he was right. The U.S. has been looking for outside sources ever since. Maybe you should do some reading on the subject instead of just inventing things that serve your own agenda.
This is flaws math.

If we've used half the oil in 14 decades, we've used half of that in half those decades.

The rate of use has increased. and is increasing, The oil that took us 140 years to use would now last maybe 30 years. Maybe less.

More people, more vehicles, more homes, etc using energy. Not just here, but around the world, so the RATE of use continues to rise.
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Watch this shit:

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1493397xGgXwgyX

I hope OPEC doesn't follow Iran and Venezuela's proposal to drop dollar.

End of petrodollar?

This shit is definitely out in the open now yo.
The long term impact of invading Iraq is the peril of our oil supplies.

G.W.'s legacy.
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Old 11-18-2007, 09:22 AM   #28 (permalink)
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In all fairness the lack of alternative sources of energy has less to do with "Big Oil" than it has to do with the fact that oil is the cheapest and most efficient fuel source right now. As Heretic pointed out, when it is no longer the cheapest then we will see alternatives. The biggest shocker to everybody here is that the same people that sell you your oil will be the same people that sell you your "alternative".
Exactly, my old friend.

We will be filling our tanks at the same places we fill them now; our local gas stations.

In order to work, the price MUST be competitive with gas.

That can be accomplished in two ways; price of gas goes up or price of new fuel is subsidized to keep price down.
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Old 11-18-2007, 09:30 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Exactly, my old friend.

We will be filling our tanks at the same places we fill them now; our local gas stations.

In order to work, the price MUST be competitive with gas.

That can be accomplished in two ways; price of gas goes up or price of new fuel is subsidized to keep price down.
No man, I mean taking the house out of the grid sounds really good but it's not possible right now. (infrastructure)

Cars are different.
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Actually solar power is making huge strides. There's flexible photovoltaic siding, even paint. Also, the effociency is increasing. At present it's 15% with is a three fold improvement from ten years ago. And who's to say we won't extend that from visible light on upto ultraviolet, which are higher energy frequencies.
I hope so and really would like to see it happen. It'll be great to pay only when the sun is not around, but I doubt, "they," will allow it.
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