motherfucking VA!!

chrisbb · 11-18-2007, 07:18 PM

these cocksuckers ought to be ashamed of themselves

WASHINGTON, Illinois (CNN) -- Ty Ziegel peers from beneath his Marine Corps baseball cap, his once boyish face burned beyond recognition by a suicide bomber's attack in Iraq just three days before Christmas 2004.

Ty Ziegel, a Marine, was badly wounded in Iraq. He battled the VA over disability benefits when he returned.

1 of 3 more photos » He lost part of his skull in the blast and part of his brain was damaged. Half of his left arm was amputated and some of the fingers were blown off his right hand.

Ziegel, a 25-year-old Marine sergeant, knew the dangers of war when he was deployed for his second tour in Iraq.

But he didn't expect a new battle when he returned home as a wounded warrior: a fight with the Department of Veterans Affairs.

"Sometimes, you get lost in the system," he told CNN. "I feel like a Social Security number. I don't feel like Tyler Ziegel."

His story is one example of how medical advances in the battlefield have outpaced the home front. Many wounded veterans return home feeling that the VA system, specifically its 62-year-old disability ratings system, has failed them. Watch Ziegel display his model skull »

"The VA system is not ready, and they simply don't have time to catch up," Tammy Duckworth -- herself a wounded veteran who heads up the Illinois Department of Veteran Affairs -- told the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee in March.

VA Acting Secretary Gordon Mansfield said cases like Ziegel's are rare -- that the majority of veterans are moving through the process and "being taken care of." He also said most veterans are fairly compensated.

"Any veteran with the same issue, if it's a medical disability, ... it is going to get the same exact result anywhere in our system," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/11/15...ine/index.html

donk_is_around · 11-19-2007, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisbb

these cocksuckers ought to be ashamed of themselves

WASHINGTON, Illinois (CNN) -- Ty Ziegel peers from beneath his Marine Corps baseball cap, his once boyish face burned beyond recognition by a suicide bomber's attack in Iraq just three days before Christmas 2004.

Ty Ziegel, a Marine, was badly wounded in Iraq. He battled the VA over disability benefits when he returned.

1 of 3 more photos » He lost part of his skull in the blast and part of his brain was damaged. Half of his left arm was amputated and some of the fingers were blown off his right hand.

Ziegel, a 25-year-old Marine sergeant, knew the dangers of war when he was deployed for his second tour in Iraq.

But he didn't expect a new battle when he returned home as a wounded warrior: a fight with the Department of Veterans Affairs.

"Sometimes, you get lost in the system," he told CNN. "I feel like a Social Security number. I don't feel like Tyler Ziegel."

His story is one example of how medical advances in the battlefield have outpaced the home front. Many wounded veterans return home feeling that the VA system, specifically its 62-year-old disability ratings system, has failed them. Watch Ziegel display his model skull »

"The VA system is not ready, and they simply don't have time to catch up," Tammy Duckworth -- herself a wounded veteran who heads up the Illinois Department of Veteran Affairs -- told the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee in March.

VA Acting Secretary Gordon Mansfield said cases like Ziegel's are rare -- that the majority of veterans are moving through the process and "being taken care of." He also said most veterans are fairly compensated.

"Any veteran with the same issue, if it's a medical disability, ... it is going to get the same exact result anywhere in our system," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/11/15...ine/index.html

Hate to say it but this exact same crap was prevalent during The Vietnam War. The VA wasn't ready to handle our wounded/disabled troops then and unfortunately our administration today didn't give a rat's ass to get the VA's cage rattled to be ready for the war.

In fact, the admin was so sure the Iraqis' would embrace us when we began the occupation. And the admin mis-calculated our wounded count - in that it thought it would be minimal. And let's NOT ever forget that Dumbyass did NOT report for duty. He was completely drunk, coked up and separated from any notion of what was going on in the VA back then. Why does the VA of today surprise anyone? I followed this and many stories similar. And many of them report "The White House" is looking into this or recommending that...

Why isn't the admin actually doing something to the VA? Because they don't give a rat's ass and they see the VA as a cost center that's messing up their profit margin...

donk_is_around · 11-19-2007, 07:29 PM

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Hate to say it but this exact same crap was prevalent during The Vietnam War. The VA wasn't ready to handle our wounded/disabled troops then and unfortunately our administration today didn't give a rat's ass to get the VA's cage rattled to be ready for the war.

In fact, the admin was so sure the Iraqis' would embrace us, the admin mis-calculated our wounded count would be minimal. And let's NOT ever forget that Dumbyass did NOT report for duty. He was completely drunk, coked up and separated from any notion of what was going on in the VA back then. Why does the VA of today surprise anyone? I followed this and many stories similar. And many of them report "The White House" is looking into this or recommending that...

Why isn't the admin actually doing something to the VA? Because they don't give a rat's ass and they see the VA as a cost center that's messing up their profit margin...

And another key factoid to this insanity with The VA and administration... Consider the 30,000+ US wounded to date (probably higher) from this war. In the Vietnam days, its a good bet that 25% or more of today's count would have died. This is because of the advances in field medical training and improved resources to Medevac field units in today's war.

But if we take that 25% of today's wounded count, that would equate to at least 7,500 more US war deaths to our near 3,900 so far. That's well over 11,000 troop deaths - 1/4 of the entire Vietnam war. If the death toll today was 11,000 - I'm sure we'd see the protests taken to the streets - just like we did in my day. And I was one of those that served and protested.

And sadly, the reality check today is that of our huge count of disabled veterans, many will never, ever be able to live normal lives. And that does NOT even take into consideration the mentally messed up vets that do NOT have physical scars. And of all the disabled, that is a huge cost to the system - and one the administration must really feel as a thorn in their side.

I hope the adminstration does NOT view our disabled vets as a business profit loss statement. Unfortunately - the ethics displayed by the admin to date, make it look as just that - a liability that must be minimized at any cost... except getting our troops home...

anhailla · 11-19-2007, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by donk_is_around

And another key factoid to this insanity with The VA and administration... Consider the 30,000+ US wounded to date (probably higher) from this war. In the Vietnam days, its a good bet that 25% or more of today's count would have died. This is because of the advances in field medical training and improved resources to Medevac field units in today's war.

But if we take that 25% of today's wounded count, that would equate to at least 7,500 more US war deaths to our near 3,900 so far. That's well over 11,000 troop deaths - 1/4 of the entire Vietnam war. If the death toll today was 11,000 - I'm sure we'd see the protests taken to the streets - just like we did in my day. And I was one of those that served and protested.

And sadly, the reality check today is that of our huge count of disabled veterans, many will never, ever be able to live normal lives. And that does NOT even take into consideration the mentally messed up vets that do NOT have physical scars. And of all the disabled, that is a huge cost to the system - and one the administration must really feel as a thorn in their side.

I hope the adminstration does NOT view our disabled vets as a business profit loss statement. Unfortunately - the ethics displayed by the admin to date, make it look as just that - a liability that must be minimized at any cost... except getting our troops home...

maybe halliburton could donate some of their profits and makes sure these guys get some good care...and keep them off the streets.
just a thought
I won't hold my breath

Joy Kinhoff · 11-19-2007, 10:42 PM

Sadly for the Veterans, especially the wounded and ones with illnesses who have to deal with the VA- it’s the same horse crap as ever. I remember the VA and Walter Reed being “exposed” for the horrific treatment that our Veterans suffered from during Vietnam’s “Peace Keeping” fiasco.

These damned Senators & Congressman get the premium healthcare for life for being crooks, and the poor Vets get squat!

How can this nation be so screwed up? We should be taking all the profits over previous years from the Oil & Energy Companies that are raping the Public and using that money to guarantee a level of quality health care for the Vets.

“America where are you now, don’t you care about your Sons’ and Daughters’ - don’t you know we need you now, we can’t fight alone against the Monster?” - John Kay

gorillamom · 11-19-2007, 11:01 PM

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BillCosby · 11-20-2007, 11:41 AM

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these cocksuckers ought to be ashamed of themselves

WASHINGTON, Illinois (CNN) -- Ty Ziegel peers from beneath his Marine Corps baseball cap, his once boyish face burned beyond recognition by a suicide bomber's attack in Iraq just three days before Christmas 2004.

Ty Ziegel, a Marine, was badly wounded in Iraq. He battled the VA over disability benefits when he returned.

1 of 3 more photos » He lost part of his skull in the blast and part of his brain was damaged. Half of his left arm was amputated and some of the fingers were blown off his right hand.

Ziegel, a 25-year-old Marine sergeant, knew the dangers of war when he was deployed for his second tour in Iraq.

But he didn't expect a new battle when he returned home as a wounded warrior: a fight with the Department of Veterans Affairs.

"Sometimes, you get lost in the system," he told CNN. "I feel like a Social Security number. I don't feel like Tyler Ziegel."

His story is one example of how medical advances in the battlefield have outpaced the home front. Many wounded veterans return home feeling that the VA system, specifically its 62-year-old disability ratings system, has failed them. Watch Ziegel display his model skull »

"The VA system is not ready, and they simply don't have time to catch up," Tammy Duckworth -- herself a wounded veteran who heads up the Illinois Department of Veteran Affairs -- told the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee in March.

VA Acting Secretary Gordon Mansfield said cases like Ziegel's are rare -- that the majority of veterans are moving through the process and "being taken care of." He also said most veterans are fairly compensated.

"Any veteran with the same issue, if it's a medical disability, ... it is going to get the same exact result anywhere in our system," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/11/15...ine/index.html

Good to know they are getting them through & out on the streets & homless in a timely manner..............

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chrisbb official DRS112 fanboy Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,602 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 71 Thanked 51 Times in 39 Posts	motherfucking VA!! these cocksuckers ought to be ashamed of themselves WASHINGTON, Illinois (CNN) -- Ty Ziegel peers from beneath his Marine Corps baseball cap, his once boyish face burned beyond recognition by a suicide bomber's attack in Iraq just three days before Christmas 2004. Ty Ziegel, a Marine, was badly wounded in Iraq. He battled the VA over disability benefits when he returned. 1 of 3 more photos » He lost part of his skull in the blast and part of his brain was damaged. Half of his left arm was amputated and some of the fingers were blown off his right hand. Ziegel, a 25-year-old Marine sergeant, knew the dangers of war when he was deployed for his second tour in Iraq. But he didn't expect a new battle when he returned home as a wounded warrior: a fight with the Department of Veterans Affairs. "Sometimes, you get lost in the system," he told CNN. "I feel like a Social Security number. I don't feel like Tyler Ziegel." His story is one example of how medical advances in the battlefield have outpaced the home front. Many wounded veterans return home feeling that the VA system, specifically its 62-year-old disability ratings system, has failed them. Watch Ziegel display his model skull » "The VA system is not ready, and they simply don't have time to catch up," Tammy Duckworth -- herself a wounded veteran who heads up the Illinois Department of Veteran Affairs -- told the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee in March. VA Acting Secretary Gordon Mansfield said cases like Ziegel's are rare -- that the majority of veterans are moving through the process and "being taken care of." He also said most veterans are fairly compensated. "Any veteran with the same issue, if it's a medical disability, ... it is going to get the same exact result anywhere in our system," he said. http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/11/15...ine/index.html __________________ 'Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.’ - David Rockefeller, 'Memoirs', Random House, New York, 2002, page 405 Last edited by chrisbb; 11-18-2007 at 07:19 PM. Reason: teri's football team sucks
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Joy Kinhoff Apprentice Nincompoop Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Idaho- the land of the wide stance! Posts: 30 My Mood: Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Sadly for the Veterans, especially the wounded and ones with illnesses who have to deal with the VA- it’s the same horse crap as ever. I remember the VA and Walter Reed being “exposed” for the horrific treatment that our Veterans suffered from during Vietnam’s “Peace Keeping” fiasco. These damned Senators & Congressman get the premium healthcare for life for being crooks, and the poor Vets get squat! How can this nation be so screwed up? We should be taking all the profits over previous years from the Oil & Energy Companies that are raping the Public and using that money to guarantee a level of quality health care for the Vets. “America where are you now, don’t you care about your Sons’ and Daughters’ - don’t you know we need you now, we can’t fight alone against the Monster?” - John Kay __________________ “Give me ambiguity, or give me something else!”
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