NYC M.E. Rules Against Another 9/11 Responder

sunflower · 11-27-2007, 07:26 AM

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NYC M.E. Rules Against Another 9/11 Responder

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PBA President Furious Over Ruling On James Godbee
Reporting
Marcia Kramer
NEW YORK (CBS) ― There was outrage Monday night over another controversial ruling by New York City's Medical Examiner.

Some say the ruling disrespects yet another first responder who worked on the debris pile at ground zero.

The family and friends of police officer James Godbee are furious.

"This is ridiculous, an outrage," said Patrolmen's Benevolent Association president Patrick Lynch said.

Lynch was speaking for many Monday in his fury at City Medical Examiner Charles Hirsch, who refuses to say a hero cop who died of lung disease after working for hundreds of hours at ground zero was a 9/11 homicide.

The reason? Godbee started work on Sept. 13.

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Who are these people fucking kidding? Because he started work on 9/13?

ThetaBurst · 11-27-2007, 09:28 AM

It sounds like false outrage to me, and another case of the media yanking the endless emotional heartstrings dangling from this story.

The crime --murder-- took place on September 11th.

Yet, from what the story conveys, the cop showed up on September 13th, two days after the crime took place.

Is someone suggesting one of the hijackers was still alive and had just enough energy to murder this cop?

Are you suggesting the cop was murdered, Sunflower?

sunflower · 11-27-2007, 09:31 AM

No, I'm not suggesting that at all. The PBA and his family are trying to receive compensation for his death based on 9/11. So because he wasn't on the pile on 9/11, yet died as a result of the government's lies about the air quality that got these guys there day after day, only to develop lung diseases and other diseases, the ME won't classify him so his family can receive the compensation?

I think it blows.

ThetaBurst · 11-27-2007, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by sunflower

The PBA and his family are trying to receive compensation for his death based on 9/11.

What does that mean Sunflower, "based on 9/11"? What does "based on 9/11" mean? You're just throwing out emotional words. The issue requires accountability to the law. There's no such law answerable to "based on 9/11".

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So because he wasn't on the pile on 9/11, yet died as a result of the government's lies about the air quality that got these guys there day after day, only to develop lung diseases and other diseases, the ME won't classify him so his family can receive the compensation?

It sounds as if you're not reading the full context of the story.

The operative contained of the medical examiner's decision is "homicide". All the M.E. has done is render that the cop was not murdered.

Do you believe he should be classified as murdered, even though the assailants had been dead for 48 hours?

How does a dead man kill someone?

sunflower · 11-27-2007, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ThetaBurst

What does that mean Sunflower, "based on 9/11"? What does "based on 9/11" mean? You're just throwing out emotional words. The issue requires accountability to the law. There's no such law answerable to "based on 9/11".

It sounds as if you're not reading the full context of the story.

The operative contained of the medical examiner's decision is "homicide". All the M.E. has done is render that the cop was not murdered.

Do you believe he should be classified as murdered, even though the assailants had been dead for 48 hours?

How does a dead man kill someone?

Because it is a requirement for the families of the victim to qualify for compensation, such as:

Toxic Dust Death Added to Official 9/11 Homicide Toll
A New York medical examiner has added a woman who died of lung disease to the official list of attack victims of 9/11, the first case of its kind in New York City.

It is qualified as a homicide, directly related to 9/11. Nothing emotional about it, except for that bit about him not being there on 9/11, yet two days later, and working hundreds of hours on the pile along with other people, and becoming ill as a result of being lied to about the air quality.

I think he deserves better. Don't you?

jdanton · 11-27-2007, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by sunflower

Because it is a requirement for the families of the victim to qualify for compensation, such as:

Toxic Dust Death Added to Official 9/11 Homicide Toll
A New York medical examiner has added a woman who died of lung disease to the official list of attack victims of 9/11, the first case of its kind in New York City.

It is qualified as a homicide, directly related to 9/11. Nothing emotional about it, except for that bit about him not being there on 9/11, yet two days later, and working hundreds of hours on the pile along with other people, and becoming ill as a result of being lied to about the air quality.

I think he deserves better. Don't you?

Actually, I disagree. This was negligent homicide on the part of the city, including the mayor, and the federal government. Remember the doctored EPA reports.

This man and others didn't die as a result of what the hijackers did. He died as a result of what our government did, or failed to do.

sunflower · 11-27-2007, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by jdanton

Actually, I disagree. This was negligent homicide on the part of the city, including the mayor, and the federal government. Remember the doctored EPA reports.

This man and others didn't die as a result of what the hijackers did. He died as a result of what our government did, or failed to do.

Yes, okay, I understand that. But of course, I don't expect the City of New York or the State of New York to accept blame, do you?

ThetaBurst · 11-27-2007, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by sunflower

Because it is a requirement for the families of the victim to qualify for compensation

A requirement?

It's a requirement that deaths be falsely rendered as homicide in order to collect compensation?

No, I'm not familiar with that ruling.

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Toxic Dust Death Added to Official 9/11 Homicide Toll
A New York medical examiner has added a woman who died of lung disease to the official list of attack victims of 9/11, the first case of its kind in New York City.

Do you have a link to that story? I'm unfamiliar.

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I think he deserves better. Don't you?

Yeah, my two cents; sure, his family should be compensated somehow, but not as the result of his death being falsely ruled a homicide. Because he wasn't murdered.

ThetaBurst · 11-27-2007, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jdanton

This was negligent homicide on the part of the city, including the mayor, and the federal government.

Then, that's another case.

Is the family filing charges against and suing the government?

Until such a time that they may, and until such time a judge would rule in their favor, there's no homicide.

sunflower · 11-27-2007, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ThetaBurst

A requirement?

It's a requirement that deaths be falsely rendered as homicide in order to collect compensation?

No, I'm not familiar with that ruling.

Toxic Dust Death Added to Official 9/11 Homicide Toll
A New York medical examiner has added a woman who died of lung disease to the official list of attack victims of 9/11, the first case of its kind in New York City.

Do you have a link to that story? I'm unfamiliar.

Yeah, my two cents; sure, his family should be compensated somehow, but not as the result of his death being falsely ruled a homicide. Because he wasn't murdered.[/quote]

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11-27-2007, 07:26 AM	#1 (permalink)
sunflower Latin Lover Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Central Fla. Posts: 2,594 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	NYC M.E. Rules Against Another 9/11 Responder Title NYC M.E. Rules Against Another 9/11 Responder Link http://wcbstv.com/topstories/james.g....2.596025.html ----------------------------------------------------- Excerpt PBA President Furious Over Ruling On James Godbee Reporting Marcia Kramer NEW YORK (CBS) ― There was outrage Monday night over another controversial ruling by New York City's Medical Examiner. Some say the ruling disrespects yet another first responder who worked on the debris pile at ground zero. The family and friends of police officer James Godbee are furious. "This is ridiculous, an outrage," said Patrolmen's Benevolent Association president Patrick Lynch said. Lynch was speaking for many Monday in his fury at City Medical Examiner Charles Hirsch, who refuses to say a hero cop who died of lung disease after working for hundreds of hours at ground zero was a 9/11 homicide. The reason? Godbee started work on Sept. 13. ------------------------------------------------------ Comment: Who are these people fucking kidding? Because he started work on 9/13? __________________ “During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act”. *George Orwell* ************************************ The owners of this country know the truth. It's called the American Dream....'cos you have to be asleep to believe it. George Carlin http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...m8fo8ne6xy.gif
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11-27-2007, 09:28 AM	#2 (permalink)
ThetaBurst The Fierce Urgency of Now Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,838 Thanks: 10 Thanked 66 Times in 38 Posts	It sounds like false outrage to me, and another case of the media yanking the endless emotional heartstrings dangling from this story. The crime --murder-- took place on September 11th. Yet, from what the story conveys, the cop showed up on September 13th, two days after the crime took place. Is someone suggesting one of the hijackers was still alive and had just enough energy to murder this cop? Are you suggesting the cop was murdered, Sunflower?
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11-27-2007, 09:31 AM	#3 (permalink)
sunflower Latin Lover Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Central Fla. Posts: 2,594 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	No, I'm not suggesting that at all. The PBA and his family are trying to receive compensation for his death based on 9/11. So because he wasn't on the pile on 9/11, yet died as a result of the government's lies about the air quality that got these guys there day after day, only to develop lung diseases and other diseases, the ME won't classify him so his family can receive the compensation? I think it blows. __________________ “During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act”. *George Orwell* ************************************ The owners of this country know the truth. It's called the American Dream....'cos you have to be asleep to believe it. George Carlin http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...m8fo8ne6xy.gif
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