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Old 02-02-2008, 09:49 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Do you really think that the people that don't save money in banks control enough money to make a difference?
No. Keynes did.

I personally think that only major capitol holders can effect circulation, and therefore aggregate demand. However, if enough people fail to move capitol then it can have a ripple effect.
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i don't buy that. period.

economic policy - tax policy, etc - is a tremendous influence on the greater economy. and i don't need a degree in economics to come to that conclusion. my 50+ years of personal observation and common sense are enough.
How? You fail to go into any detail. Why don't you explain to me?
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No. Keynes did.

I personally think that only major capitol holders can effect circulation, and therefore aggregate demand. However, if enough people fail to move capitol then it can have a ripple effect.
hmmm....maybe. I'm not sure what the distribution for income is for the bottom 80% of earners are....but I'm pretty sure the propensity to consume is in the high 90's....It could be huge I suppose if the savings went from a couple percentage points to say 15%.
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hmmm....maybe. I'm not sure what the distribution for income is for the bottom 80% of earners are....but I'm pretty sure the propensity to consume is in the high 90's....It could be huge I suppose if the savings went from a couple percentage points to say 15%.
To be honest there is not way to prove it. Which is why it is really just a theory. I doubt their is a model with the scale to calculate all relevant variables, but who knows.

I do however think that consumer behavior is a good indication of what is AVERAGE among the public. A majority of consumers are indebt, so what can be inferred is people tend to spend more than they save. That's just a anecdotal example, since its far more complicated, but I think it gets the point across. Measuring behavior across a broad scale, is a somewhat reliable indicator of how much, where, and when, Americans tend to consume.

Absolutely, savings increasing could have a very positive effect on standard of living. I would encourage people to save and invest. When I made that statement I was really referring to "depression" more than "recession." That in a depression it is common behavior to "horde" one's money. That people will develop a fundamental distrust of the monetary establishment. When capitol fails to circulate, it can have some influence on overall aggregate demand.
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hmmm....maybe. I'm not sure what the distribution for income is for the bottom 80% of earners are....but I'm pretty sure the propensity to consume is in the high 90's....It could be huge I suppose if the savings went from a couple percentage points to say 15%.
You only WISH that savings were at 2%. Here's a couple handy-dandy charts to ilustrate our move towards economic wipeout.

Both charts are PERSONAL SAVINGS AS A PERCENTAGE OF DISPOSABLE INCOME





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