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Old 02-01-2008, 01:33 PM   #21 (permalink)
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....but the point is...if one of them(let's say Exxon) can offer it cheaper...then the rest of them have to follow suit...It happens everywhere...not just in oil...it's typical to almost all homogenous products...

I know. I KNOW.

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Heartless, relentless, straightforward, effective, take no prisoners...that's the way Big Money rolls.


BOYCOTT EXXON MOBIL

So simple, George Bush gets it.

Even without decreasing demand, just isolating Exxon over there like a Bad Boy...like we do, say, Cuba...you'll see 'em drop their price to lure fickle customers back.

And fickle customers WILL go back. We care more about money than about anything. This couldn't be more clear, we need not argue the point.

Other oil companies will match Exxon's lower price.

As you say, they all work pretty much the same. Homogenous.

Y'know what you get with homogenous? Lack of innovation.

People better get this through their heads: this BUSINESS of picking ourselves up by our bootstraps and cleaning up our mess is not gonna be easy and it's not gonna be cheap. Someone's gonna take a hit. Even if we don't mean to clean up our mess, even if we won't pull ourselves up by our bootstraps, someone's gonna take a hit.

I vote that it should be the Top One Percenters...ten percent, if need be.
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Old 02-01-2008, 02:59 PM   #22 (permalink)
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when is this going to stop?
Why do you want this to stop? Do you want to destroy alternative energy industry and wipe out all gains in fuel efficiency?
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Even without decreasing demand, just isolating Exxon over there like a Bad Boy...like we do, say, Cuba...you'll see 'em drop their price to lure fickle customers back.

And fickle customers WILL go back. We care more about money than about anything. This couldn't be more clear, we need not argue the point.

Other oil companies will match Exxon's lower price.

As you say, they all work pretty much the same. Homogenous.

Y'know what you get with homogenous? Lack of innovation.

People better get this through their heads: this BUSINESS of picking ourselves up by our bootstraps and cleaning up our mess is not gonna be easy and it's not gonna be cheap. Someone's gonna take a hit. Even if we don't mean to clean up our mess, even if we won't pull ourselves up by our bootstraps, someone's gonna take a hit.

I vote that it should be the Top One Percenters...ten percent, if need be.
Unless you improve your fuel efficiency or reduce overall consumption otherwise, boycotting a single company will do you no good. If you don't buy their oil, Chinese will. Moreover, by boycotting a single company, you will drive up demand from others, resulting in overall price increases. In the extreme, even if you succeed in somehow destroying Exxon, all that will do is reduce competition and make monopoly and price collusion so much easier for remaining companies...

Gas and non renewable energy prices MUST go ever higher if we are to have a hope for sustainable future.
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well, personally, i'm against ALL forms of rape.


and i don't believe that it SHOULD HAVE to take $4+ a gallon gas to do what's both right, and what needs to be done. but i'm funny that way.
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well, personally, i'm against ALL forms of rape.


and i don't believe that it SHOULD HAVE to take $4+ a gallon gas to do what's both right, and what needs to be done. but i'm funny that way.
You pay $4+ for gas

We're not even over $3 here.
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well, personally, i'm against ALL forms of rape.


and i don't believe that it SHOULD HAVE to take $4+ a gallon gas to do what's both right, and what needs to be done. but i'm funny that way.
Unless 'the people' are getting a royal screwing up the ass, we become lazy and complacent, that's the sad reality. If we will not take $4, $5, $6, $7 and more a gallon of gas, we won't do a damn. As soon as oil prices go down, SUV sales will boom. It happened before, it will happen again. bye bye will go hybrids and subcompacts, and dreams of carpool and mass transit and lower commute distances...
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You pay $4+ for gas

We're not even over $3 here.

no, i'm not... but what i'm saying is it shouldn't TAKE that kind of motivation (and immoral profits) from the oil companies to do what's right and necessary.
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Wait till you start paying for universal healthcare then we will know if you are truly against rape.
first of all, you don't know that universal health care would be rape.
you are just drinking the insurance industry koolaid when you make that kind of assumption.

when it comes to being raped, i've already BEEN raped worse by this health care system and the insurance industry.


and you're pretty lucky if you haven't been raped by them yet.
oh, and if you haven't been yet...
just wait, your turn awaits you.
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no, i'm not... but what i'm saying is it shouldn't TAKE that kind of motivation (and immoral profits) from the oil companies to do what's right and necessary.
What else would be a motivation?
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Wait till your taxes go up 12-15% to cover this healthcare and the first time you got to the doctor with something major and he gives you a number and says we will call you when it's your turn
Well, you won't have to pay to private ins about $300/mo so it might just balance out... I'm not all that unsympathetic to public health ins. It's just the methods i have problem with. Single payer vs CDHP?
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