RK77

Both McCain and Bush have repeatedly said that if we want to know if Al queda sees Iraq as a center of a war on terrorism we should ask Bin Laden.

Would a patriot tell the america people to accept Bin Laden as the expert on any subject?

Should we believe Bin Laden on all points or just that one?

Should we need to look past our Commander in Chief to find the truth?

MAN---we must be worse off than I thought!

BillCosby

Excellent questions.......... Maybe one of the resident knowitALL bushites will stop by & enlighten????

or not..................

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Titanium Cat

It looks like CIA director General Michael Hayden (and JCS chairman Michael Mullen) don't think that Iraq is (or should be) the primary battleground against Al Qaeda.

From Meet the Press today:
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GEN. HAYDEN: No. I'm not--or I can't talk about--confirm or deny any, any operational activity by CIA or any other organ of the U.S. government. But, but what I can tell you about is the situation along the Af-Pak border, the Afghanistan-Pakistan border, which presents clear and present danger to Afghanistan, to Pakistan and to the West in general, and to the United States in particular.

MR. RUSSERT: Do you believe that's where Osama bin Laden is?

GEN. HAYDEN: Yes.

MR. RUSSERT: Michael Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, believes that there is--if there is another terrorist attack, it will originate there.

GEN. HAYDEN: We believe so, too. We, we, we can see what's going on. Our--you, you talked before about intelligence and how good or ill we have been in the past. We've gotten much better against al-Qaeda, and, of course, tomorrow we should be better than we are today. So, you know, that's not an absolute scale. We have to keep getting better. But it's very clear to us that al-Qaeda has been able, over the past 18 months or so, to establish a safe haven along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border area that they have not enjoyed before, that they are bringing operatives into that region for training, operatives that, a phrase I would use, Tim, wouldn't attract your attention if they were going through the customs line at Dulles with you when you're coming back from overseas.
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Where the hell is E-man?

BillCosby

Hopefully he does not believe it needs to expand into Iran to get all those alquida bases & training camps there........

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JeffinCO

Fog of War Lesson#1 - Empathise with your enemy.

....Sorry Sen. McCain, I think you've mis-understood what Mr Mcamara was trying to convey.

Why the hell do we refuse to learn from those who made the same mistakes before us?!

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Vicariously I

This is a very easy question to answer actually.

It is because the powerful always believe they are far more superior then those that came before them. They look at the lessons of the past as a way to prevent them from losing power, rather then understanding that it is their quest for power that will be their undoing.

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JeffinCO

maybe that whole "cant see the forest from the trees" ....thing.

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BillCosby

Great clip........ TO bad mcbush will never see it........

I would think he believed empathy comes from a warm empty gun....

Hell he still believes that killing all those Vietnamese was worth it. I bet if he was in charge we would still be there fighting instead of vacationing & trading w/ Vietnam..........

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cheapseats

I would advise the American People to accept Bin Laden as an expert on Terrorism. If Official Reports are to be believed...and it is certainly pleasant to imagine that the American Government does not lie to the American People...Bin Laden is the mastermind behind 9/11, a successful attack on the United States mainland.

And I am thinking it is because we are terrified that we are behaving so stupidly.

Mission Accomplished.


Accepting someone as an expert is not necessarily the same thing as believing them. People lie, including experts on witness stands. People spin the truth as surely as Politicos spin elections and governance.

That said, SURELY, lying is a mainstay throughout the entire terrorism/counterterrorism/spy-counterspy/overt-covert/some-operations-are-more-special-than-other-operations Industry. Military Industrial Complex, they name is Liar.


Always. We should always look past a single human for Truth.

People are fallible.

Some people are more fallible than others.

We are the only legally free people that I know of who, given a choice, routinely appoint their Top Spot with the Lesser of Evils.


Yes, we are.

Crisis in Credit? Money=tight, yes?

What was the plan had there been a run on banks when Bear Stearns stock plummeted? One can surmise that there would not have been enough cash on hand to honor legitimate withdrawal demands.

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