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Old 03-26-2008, 09:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I HOPE YOU SEE THIS-PBS Frontline-Bush's War

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For 4 1/2 hours, PBS' 'Frontline' examines, explains 'Bush's War' -- National Government, The White House, New York Times -- baltimoresun.com
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Last month, an essay in The New York Times asked the question: Is PBS still necessary?

The newspaper reaped a whirlwind of angry and eloquent responses in the affirmative, but nothing shows the necessity and continuing cultural importance of PBS like the two-part Frontline documentary titled Bush's War that starts tonight.

No one in television has covered the war in Iraq with as much diligence and passion as Frontline in dozens of reports. And that goes back to the time of the run-up to the conflict when The Times was printing stories on its front page about the threat of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

While some of the Times stories that carried the byline of Judith Miller have since been called into question, the work of Frontline stands tall - and Bush's War is at the apex of that effort.

If you watch only one report or read one article in connection with the fifth anniversary of the war, make it this 4 1/2 -hour film. It will make you among the best informed as to how America came to find itself in the conflict and why so many things went so wrong on the ground in Iraq.

Starting with Sept. 11, 2001, and continuing through last year's troop surge, writer and director Michael Kirk crafts a compelling TV narrative that is a triumph of journalism and filmmaking.

The journalism part involves gathering, processing and verifying so much information in one place.

Kirk and reporter-producer Jim Gilmore focus on moments of passage - the reaction within the Bush White House in the immediate aftermath of Sept. 11, the decision to invade Iraq, and the confusion when it became apparent that America was going to have to occupy the defeated country but had no plan on how to do so.

At every turn, memos from key players are shared with viewers, while participants are interviewed on-camera. And, then, their written and spoken words are cross-checked with other participants and accounts for verification.

Critics from the right have charged Frontline with liberal bias over the years. But while Bush's War feels almost Biblical in its ultimate condemnation of the president, Vice President Dick Cheney and former Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld for their execution of the war, the documentary includes officials from all sides of the issue. Such high-level Bush administration players as Richard L. Armitage, a former deputy secretary of state, and L. Paul Bremer III, who served as American administrator in Iraq in the early days of the war, are interviewed extensively.

But so much information would be impossible to process if not for the deft touch of director Kirk, who wraps all the data in a visual tapestry reminiscent of Alan J. Pakula's 1976 feature film All the President's Men. As the narration tells viewers of secret meetings, internecine feuds, backroom deals and political back-stabbing at the highest levels, viewers are carried along on a river of images suggesting a government run behind closed doors - both in Washington and Iraq.

Ultimately, Bush's War might also come to be judged a first-rate work of history. It certainly feels like history with its richly textured and strongly supported narrative of cause and effect helping explain a bewildering rush of events that have left thousands dead.

But it is still too soon to make that call.

For now, just enjoy the documentary. Clear some time tonight and tomorrow to watch Bush's War - and be thankful that there is still a public television system in this country that can produce such stellar work.

>>>On TV Bush's War airs at 9 tonight and tomorrow night on MPT (Channels 22 and 67).

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I HAVE ONLY WATCHED THE FIRST HALF.......

IT IS ABOUT 4 1/2 HOURS BUT IS WELL WORST EVERY MIN OF IT..

IF ANYONE HAD ANY DOUBTS THAT THIS COULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED ANY WORSE PLEASE POINT IT OUT AFTER THE SHOW........

IT IS RUNNING SEVERAL TIMES LOCALLY & PROB WERE YOU ARE TO...
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Old 03-26-2008, 09:58 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Thanks, I'll make sure and watch tonight.
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Dude! You can watch it all online.

FRONTLINE: bush's war | PBS
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Old 03-26-2008, 10:18 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Stayed up late watching this last night.

A very interesting look into just how fucked this whole thing has gotten. So many fuckups that spawned from pure short-sighted and just plain stupid reactionism, failure to plan, and even all out war behind the scenes between our own leadership.

From the moment Saddam and his army disappeared, Iraq = chaos.

From Saddams 250,000 officers in place for security, to 3,000 troops. + sending thousands of Saddams soldiers home with weapons and no jobs, and our boot up their ass. Smart.

And then while allowing the looting of schools and institutions, we dig trenches around the ministry of oil. Idiots.

..so many fuckups, it may be harder to find things they did right. But then fuckups do have a tendency to self -multiply.
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Old 03-26-2008, 10:42 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I saw this Monday night, it's actually painful to watch, and it makes you angry. Cheney had his own personal agenda.

I wish this would be shown in primetime on nbc, cbs, abc, but n-a-w.
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This was a rehash and update of previous Frontline segment.

It's such an important subject matter I think they felt the need to redo it.

Essentially the Cheney/Rummy show got us into this mess. Two movers and shakers in D.C for years who knew how to get things done by consolidating power, and protecting their own interests.

Harmless when talking about the internal workings of America. Absolutely a horror show when applying it to foreign policy.

Two hacks in way over their heads, and to arrogant to listen to anyone.

Expanding the presidential powers of a weak office holder, and pushing through your own agenda regaurdless of all the omens, signposts, and conflicting opinions and data is a formula for disaster.

Let it be a lesson to anyone in those seats of power from these days forward.
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Dude! You can watch it all online.

FRONTLINE: bush's war | PBS
cued up and ready to come on.
I have to watch on telly because

1. I don't have an expensive computer
and
2. WOrking seven days a week means that i HAVE to be doing something else ( laundry, dishes...)
while it's on.

I know that many of you are lux enough to sit and just enjoy.
Please don't grind it into those of us who cannot afford it
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This was a rehash and update of previous Frontline segment.

It's such an important subject matter I think they felt the need to redo it.

Essentially the Cheney/Rummy show got us into this mess. Two movers and shakers in D.C for years who knew how to get things done by consolidating power, and protecting their own interests.

Harmless when talking about the internal workings of America. Absolutely a horror show when applying it to foreign policy.

Two hacks in way over their heads, and to arrogant to listen to anyone.

Expanding the presidential powers of a weak office holder, and pushing through your own agenda regaurdless of all the omens, signposts, and conflicting opinions and data is a formula for disaster.

Let it be a lesson to anyone in those seats of power from these days forward.
Absolutely right.
...but then again, we've already had this day in school.
Cheney and Rummy either were not paying attention, or simply didnt give a shit. I believe you're correct about the agenda, after all, Cheney himself perfectly outlined the reasons not to topple Saddam after the first gulf war.

Here is a man who told a congressman from the other side of the isle who was reaching out to him..."Go FUCK yourself."

...and then got drunk, shot his friend in the face with a shotgun, and ...refused to accompany his good friend/ shooting victim to the hospital. ???? Nice guy.

These fucks just cannot disappear soon enough. Maybe they'll take all the treasury they've stolen and follow their cronies to the UAE.
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