Cougar Shot Dead in Chicago - Page 2

Rollerball · 04-16-2008, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Heretic

Here's what people should be up in arms about. The fact that all this suburban development is encroaching on the cougar's habitat. And then people get all surprised'n'shit because the animal's pissed off over all the talking apes in its back yard scaring the food away.

I say they should've darted it and- since they obviously weren't going to tear down the invasive neighborhood, relocate the animal that clearly could've killed kids but opted not to.

This is a lesson to the courgars. If your home range is invaded by the apeman then take one of the hairless bitches out for they kill you on sight!

Yeah but the thing is that Chicago is not encroaching on cougar land. If there ever were cougars in the Chicago area it was over 150 years ago, if ever. A few months ago a coyote found its way into downtown overnight, but they DO live in the area.

What I haven't heard yet is the obvious, that this cat was someone's pet. It didn't escape from a zoo, it didn't wander in from the wild, it didn't crawl out of the sewer after having been flushed down the toilet as a kitten... some asshole had to be keeping it as a pet and was careless enough to let it escape.

I wasn't there so I can't say for sure, but I have a really hard time believing that this cat was dangerous to anything but squirrels. I have no doubt that it could have been handled differently, even though a whole school full of America's children were laid out all in a row with their jugulars exposed for the cat to select from.

That's a pretty handy excuse though, I defy you to find one place in Chicago that ISN'T near an elementary school.
That good old tyme cry of "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!" couldn't fail.

PursuitOfHappinessParty · 04-16-2008, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Rollerball

Yeah but the thing is that Chicago is not encroaching on cougar land. If there ever were cougars in the Chicago area it was over 150 years ago, if ever. A few months ago a coyote found its way into downtown overnight, but they DO live in the area.

What I haven't heard yet is the obvious, that this cat was someone's pet. It didn't escape from a zoo, it didn't wander in from the wild, it didn't crawl out of the sewer after having been flushed down the toilet as a kitten... some asshole had to be keeping it as a pet and was careless enough to let it escape.

I wasn't there so I can't say for sure, but I have a really hard time believing that this cat was dangerous to anything but squirrels. I have no doubt that it could have been handled differently, even though a whole school full of America's children were laid out all in a row with their jugulars exposed for the cat to select from.

That's a pretty handy excuse though, I defy you to find one place in Chicago that ISN'T near an elementary school.
That good old tyme cry of "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!" couldn't fail.

Think of the parents. If they hadn't killed this cat, but monitored it and it attacked a kid, the press and parents would've created a circus.

If if wasn't near a school, they probably would've tried to bring in the tranqs. You DO hear of them doing just that all the time. I would imagine that many of those cops involved were just as unhappy to be shooting it as we are.

Rollerball · 04-16-2008, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by PursuitOfHappinessParty

Think of the parents. If they hadn't killed this cat, but monitored it and it attacked a kid, the press and parents would've created a circus.

If if wasn't near a school, they probably would've tried to bring in the tranqs. You DO hear of them doing just that all the time. I would imagine that many of those cops involved were just as unhappy to be shooting it as we are.

You know, those are always emotion filled words, 'what if it attacked a child', but it falls apart when you think of the reality of the situation.

Obviously the cops were there, once a cat that size is in sight there is no where in the city it could hide. The argument is assuming that the cops might have been paying so much attention to the cat that a small child might have wandered through their lines and been eaten.

But whatever, it's dead now and America's children are safe again.
'cept from terrorists of course.

PursuitOfHappinessParty · 04-16-2008, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Rollerball

You know, those are always emotion filled words, 'what if it attacked a child', but it falls apart when you think of the reality of the situation.

Obviously the cops were there, once a cat that size is in sight there is no where in the city it could hide. The argument is assuming that the cops might have been paying so much attention to the cat that a small child might have wandered through their lines and been eaten.

But whatever, it's dead now and America's children are safe again.
'cept from terrorists of course.

and Republican Congressmen, Governors, parents,........
Besides, we need to protect our children! So they can grow up, joing the Marines, and kill brown people. Or die trying!

I want a feeding-tube and zero brainwaves so the government will love and protect me too!

The_Heretic · 04-16-2008, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by PursuitOfHappinessParty

Nice thought, but not practical.

Niether is killing the last courgar, which is really where this is going.

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I said the same thing when DFW police shot and killed an ape a couple (?) of years ago. It was pointed out to me that there was no way that they could effectively contain the area in time, there wasn't time or dart guns enough (guy showed me an newspaper article). That was on zoo grounds! A place with the equipment fairly close by, in a defined smallish area (comparatively).

That just means they were too fuckin' lazy to do their goddamn job. Everything after that is their excuse making.

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To envelope the roaming cougar in Chicago with dart gun toting people (AC, police, any wildlife personelle) would be impossible.

Bullshit. If they were able to kill it with a rifle then they could've darted it instead. Don't buy their spin.

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I would imagine that in both cases, there were all available dart guns mixed in with those armed with traditional weapons. You see similar stories in the news all the time. I would also imagine that Chicago doesn't have guidelines or practice time for this scenario. This was a big cat and there's a school near-by.

Most animal control police units are equipped with dart rifles or pistols. But this isn't about what they can do, but what officers weren't too lazy to do.

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As an aside, on the DFW zoo escape: I had a further problem. The number of shots fired by our trained policemen and those that actually hit the animal were something like 4:1 !!
And they said the ape was a danger to people near-by!

Whatever. Darting was always an option. I'm always goingto know that.

PursuitOfHappinessParty · 04-16-2008, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Heretic

Niether is killing the last courgar, which is really where this is going.

That just means they were too fuckin' lazy to do their goddamn job. Everything after that is their excuse making.

Bullshit. If they were able to kill it with a rifle then they could've darted it instead. Don't buy their spin.

Most animal control police units are equipped with dart rifles or pistols. But this isn't about what they can do, but what officers weren't too lazy to do.

Whatever. Darting was always an option. I'm always goingto know that.

I wonder. What is the number of dart rifles available in Chicago? They've had bears before, if memory serves. I doubt they could effectively blanket the roaming ability of a cougar inside city limits with a protective screen of dart rifle carrying officers, but actual numbers would help to make a qualified opinion.

I'll try google.

The_Heretic · 04-16-2008, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by PursuitOfHappinessParty

I wonder. What is the number of dart rifles available in Chicago? They've had bears before, if memory serves. I doubt they could effectively blanket the roaming ability of a cougar inside city limits with a protective screen of dart rifle carrying officers, but actual numbers would help to make a qualified opinion.

I'll try google.

It's far from unusual to have an air unit spot the animal. Plus, the mere presence of a helicopter sends most wild animals bolting.

ocealdia · 04-16-2008, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by zimmy61

hey zimmy - glad to see you

ocealdia · 04-16-2008, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Heretic

Here's what people should be up in arms about. The fact that all this suburban development is encroaching on the cougar's habitat. And then people get all surprised'n'shit because the animal's pissed off over all the talking apes in its back yard scaring the food away.

I say they should've darted it and- since they obviously weren't going to tear down the invasive neighborhood, relocate the animal that clearly could've killed kids but opted not to.

This is a lesson to the courgars. If your home range is invaded by the apeman then take one of the hairless bitches out for they kill you on sight!

I agree with you completely Heretic. This cougar was wondering and just got lost in a neighborhood, and he was probably confused and more afraid than the people out to get him. He should have been darted.

Noob920 · 04-16-2008, 07:37 AM

The cougar was a danger to the inhabitants of the area. I'm sure if they could have darted it, they would have. I don't see animal control people in an urban environment having easy access to tranquilizer darts.

Sad about the cougar, but necessary, I'm sure.

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