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Old 04-29-2008, 04:36 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Ah, so you think his behavior is new? I guess you never heard his statement about how terrorists just need to be "understood". Or perhaps you have never heard of, much less read (or maybe not able to comprehend) Palestine: Peace not Apartheid. That's real. What is not real is that I am not illiterate, such as you.
But just to make the peace, I'll agree with you that his pro Arab terrorist stance is new. I don't really care because he's irrelevant.
Personally, I'm anti Israel and anti Arab militant extremism. I don't give a shit about either one of them, nor Carter.
If you actually believe he is "Pro-terrorism" in any form, you're an utter idiot. I suspect you're just another asshole who runs his mouth just a few inches in front of his ass. And on top of that, you probably get all weepy-eyed when you hear of "heroic" American terrorism. Fucking noodge.
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Old 04-29-2008, 05:00 PM   #12 (permalink)
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The Israeli's who made those hateful comments and blew him off, and worse, the Israelis who abandoned our Jimmy and left him stranded in a foreign country without a national security blanket. The security people, of all people, should be grateful for all the good he has done and the risks he took to go to a war zone, but instead they left him vulnerable and a target in a supposedly allied nation. Assholes.
I agree, it was wrong on Israel's part. Although I'm not convinced they were stupid enough not to privately offer him security. There's a lot of things that goes on behind closed doors there.
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Old 04-29-2008, 05:19 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Because I was fucking pissed at the time. I kept you and other Jews I dont hate in mind though. I was so mad I was tempted to use other language..
Worse comments than "ungrateful Jews"? I can't even imagine. Just hope you weren't intending to to use the "K" word.

Remember anger is never an excuse to make blanket statements about a group of people. And please take note, while most Israelis are Jews, most Jews are not Israelis.
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Old 04-29-2008, 05:58 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Worse comments than "ungrateful Jews"? I can't even imagine. Just hope you weren't intending to to use the "K" word.

Remember anger is never an excuse to make blanket statements about a group of people. And please take note, while most Israelis are Jews, most Jews are not Israelis.
Stronger language, not racist language. Their actions accompanied by their rhetoric can easily be interpreted as a veiled threat. We all know what Israel does to ‘enemies of the state’. But Jimmy did manage to escape unharmed, so I wont say opportunistic assasins(maybe a radical domestic group will do it). If I were advising Jimmy though, id tell him to avoid traveling there anymore; at least until there is a friendlier regime in place.

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Old 04-29-2008, 06:21 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Ah, so you think his behavior is new? I guess you never heard his statement about how terrorists just need to be "understood". Or perhaps you have never heard of, much less read (or maybe not able to comprehend) Palestine: Peace not Apartheid. That's real. What is not real is that I am not illiterate, such as you.
But just to make the peace, I'll agree with you that his pro Arab terrorist stance is new. I don't really care because he's irrelevant.
Personally, I'm anti Israel and anti Arab militant extremism. I don't give a shit about either one of them, nor Carter.
I am definitely pro-Israel, but aside from that, I think the U.S. should be supporting democracy in the region. It has always been bad policy to turn our back on our supporters, and we are still paying the price for Carter's fuck-up with Iran back in the 70's.

Imagine what the region would be like today if we had a strong country like Iran that was pro West....the Shah understood his Arab neighbors, and with his military might, would have kept them in check. For this reason, I can never forgive Jimmy Carter...he let that nation fall to ruin and we have a militant anti-U.S. theocracy in power threatening Israel and the world.

Way to go Jimmy. Ya should have stayed on the peanut farm.
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Imagine what the region would be like today if we had a strong country like Iran that was pro West....the Shah understood his Arab neighbors, and with his military might, would have kept them in check. For this reason, I can never forgive Jimmy Carter...he let that nation fall to ruin and we have a militant anti-U.S. theocracy in power threatening Israel and the world.

Way to go Jimmy. Ya should have stayed on the peanut farm.
You cant blame Jimmy Carter for domestic Iranian politics. The Shah of Iran was the reason for the Cultural Revolution that took place in Iran. The installing of a puppet played right into the conservatives hands and sowed the seeds for the events that followed. Jimmy even allowed the Shah to come to the US for medical treatment to keep the old fuck alive, but events were already set in motion.


Today, if you want to convert people from being anti-west to being pro-west, you don’t bomb them, you talk to them. What he did in Palestine should be reciprocated in Iran as well.
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If you actually believe he is "Pro-terrorism" in any form, you're an utter idiot..
OK, I'll back off for the sake of non-argument. He's always been sympathic to Arab terrorists. (To me , this makes him pro-terrorist). But this is not criticism. We've needed pols like him to counter those who are pro-Israeli fascism. Unfortunately, he is irrelevant now and has been since 1980.
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You cant blame Jimmy Carter for domestic Iranian politics. The Shah of Iran was the reason for the Cultural Revolution that took place in Iran. The installing of a puppet played right into the conservatives hands and sowed the seeds for the events that followed. Jimmy even allowed the Shah to come to the US for medical treatment to keep the old fuck alive, but events were already set in motion.


Today, if you want to convert people from being anti-west to being pro-west, you don’t bomb them, you talk to them. What he did in Palestine should be reciprocated in Iran as well.
We propped him up once, we should have done it again. There were ways to deal with the fanatics, but Carter wouldn't do his job. My goodness, we lost a great deal by letting the fanatics take over. Iran was well on it's way to becoming modern and westernized, and he loved the United States and Europe. Too bad for us, and too bad for the world.
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Today, if you want to convert people from being anti-west to being pro-west, you don’t bomb them, you talk to them. What he did in Palestine should be reciprocated in Iran as well.
So I guess you are not for bombing for peace or the bombing for democracy.....................

Americans could lose jobs here. Bomb makers & poor miners digging up the raw materials going into them.

I think the logic goes like this: Dead ppl pose no threat............

&/or We are bombing you cause you might do something.. & if you do do something we will bomb you....
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