Malkavian

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Woof!

anhailla

maybe

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anhailla

perish the thought...I am in the buisness of keeping people alive

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Your not thinking like a criminal. You assuming a struggle. Here's how there isn't one:

You point gun at their head and say "Hang yourself, or I'll kill you now where you stand". Of course they don't know you might not be willing to do so, because you don't want to leave any evidence behind of a shooting. If there is a struggle you go to Plan B. Having them disappear completely, or something else. If not then you've got your no struggle scene of a suicide.

Get em drunk first. Slip them a mickey in their drink. It would probably be pretty hard to tell (even forensically) when the effects of a drug that incapacitates you, had taken effect. Before the ability to hang yourself or after? Many times drugs and alcohol are found in suicide victims anyway.

Your assuming the murderer is crude and not resourceful. I've just given you two very likely scenarios that would leave no signs of struggle.

Here's a couple more (granted more fantastic).

Fake photo shoot for money. Pose a photographer who's going to get you big dollars for bizarre pictures.

Talk them into it. A CIA agent shows up and gives you two choices. Incarceration, shame, a long trial and prison sentence, or even the murder of a loved one. Or hang yourself.

Brain washing, hypnosis.

Bribe the mother into convincing her daughter it's the only way out. Who knows, maybe she hated her own daughter. We don't know.

There aren't as many ways of get away with a crime as there are of fucking one up. But it's not impossible. If it were there wouldn't be unsolved cases.

Most crimes are committed within the throws of emotion or out of desperation. That's why there's evidence. If one is calculated enough, there's a possibility of "get away with it".

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Malkavian

... As long as necessary. Of course. Very wise. Anhailla is the wisest and kindest person ever. Not in the assassination business at all. Absolutely not. Please don't kill me.

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anhailla

once again...counting on the fact that someone is just going to hang themselves because you have a gun is a messy way to a murder. This was a storage unit in the middle of a trailer park in the middle of the day. Also...they would have had to force her to pen several suicide notes first? (suicide notes were found)
These professional assassins are just hanging out in a storage unit (in the middle of the day) waiting for her to write different versions of suicide notes... with no fear of being noticed or found?
Sounds risky for professional assassins.



Can you name a drug that causes respiratory failure or depression that won't be found in an autopsy?
forcing somone to overdose brings the same problem with signs of a struggle that hanging does...
anyway, so far we don't have any evidence that she was on drugs or took something...because the autopsy results haven't been released.



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you named two scenerios granted, but for those to work...you're assuming she puts up no struggle at all.



try and blackmail a prostitute that has just been sentenced to prison?
can I laugh here?



We don't know...but this is far stretched, her friends state she enjoyed staying with her mother, doesn't appear that she hated her.



I never said all crimes were solved or that someone couldn't get away with it, that's not even close to what I was saying.
I only asserted that there is evidence that this was just a suicide.

I still think Kerr McGee murdered Karen Silkwood, maybe I will start a new thread.

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Refuge51

So do I!

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anhailla

Dearest Malky...you are safe from all harm, I can assure you


(however you did forget to mention that I was also very good looking)

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anhailla

that one has never sat right with me..she just happens to die in a car accident while possessing damning evidence that disappeared?

I'm bored tonight, maybe I will do some digging on the google

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cheapseats

Indeed. What has she got to lose?

Imagine how bleak her future... Whereas she was All That on the Washington DC Fucking Around circuit, suddenly she is not just a woman scorned, she is Persona Muy Non Grata.

She will go to prison whereas the men who constituted the other half of her business, which is unmistakably predicated upon it taking two to tango. More than two, perhaps...that is a matter of personal taste and none of my affair...but not fewer than two. The payer and the payee. Or it wouldn't be a business.

By contrast with her complete reversal of fortune unto incarceration, what has been the fates of the Very Important People who were the payees?

Again and again, we find that people who we would logically think are rolling in dough have afforded themselves lifestyles that render them as vulnerable as many of us to an unexpected legal or medical Situation with a capital S.

Big legal fees. Her mother yet alive.

I can imagine that a person in her high heels might, for a price, fall on her own sword...now THAT'S messy.

As to the implausibility of the location, it's as implausible for her to have chosen the spot as for someone else to have chosen it. An abiding dilemma for the Conscientious Suicide...where DO you hang yourself?

I agree, a savvy business woman would be getting a handle on the bullshit legal angle P.D.Q. No need to be theatrical and kill herself.

Now think movie-grade fiction.

The gun is at the MOTHER'S head...a trick picked up at the Ministry of Torture and Coercion.

Conspiracy Theory...like Racist, like Democracy, like Freedom, like Christianity, like a lotta words...has been simultaneously belittled and bedeviled.

Conspiracy: covert and influential organization. It ABOUNDS.

I did not, by the way, impugn you or Iowa. On the contrary. I know that you are sophisticated and accomplished...I MET you, for fuck's sake. What I AM saying is that...at least in my experience of Iowa AND MOST PLACES...when push comes to shove, simply offing one's nemesis isn't on the table as an option.

It is CLEARLY on the table in the Big Leagues. Hence, assassination.

Back to the movies...when the Supreme Bad Guy says of the relentless thorn in his side, "Get rid of him"? It happens.

Karen Silkwood, indeed.

Take a look at Vicky Morgan, Alfred Bloomingdale's mistress, while you're snooping around.

The google, I loved that.

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