ImusWallower

it was his father. of course he would do what his father told him to do. he was 15. what is the difference between Khadr and Ishmael Beah?

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Malkavian

One is from Sierra Leone and another is from Canada? I hope you are not having a civil war up there.... It's much too quiet.

He may have been brainwashed, but that's religion for you... I do believe he fought willingly and with full understanding of his actions.

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ImusWallower

did Ishmael fight willingly and with full understanding of his actions?

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Malkavian

Willingly, i dunno, he may not have had the chance to run away. That's Sierra Leone for you. But with full understanding of his actions, absolutely.

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ImusWallower

yet he is free to live his life. Khadr should also be free. there is no proof that he killed anyone and even if he did, tragic, but he was a child soldier

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Malkavian

If whoever Ishmael was fighting against caught him, i doubt he would remain free. US is not an enemy of Sierra Leone, and likewise, Sierra Leone doesn't have a beef with US as far as i know... So soldiers from SL can stay in US freely. Talib/AQ however are active enemies, thus they should be detained until the conflict is over... His citizenship and the fact that AQ is not a state complicates the matter, but still, he was a mercenary fighting for enemy force, that makes it ok to detain him...

If you consider AQ a sovereign organization and thus afford this guy the rights of a soldier, fine, he should be detained until AQ is destroyed or signs a peace agreement with US. This ain't gonna happen any time soon.

If you don't not consider AQ a sovereign organization, that's fine too, in that case his resistance is illegitimate and he is a common murderer, a gang banger, and should get a life in prison. No good options for him...

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michelemichele

Cosby, here's a clip:

http://www.cbc.ca/clips/mov/hunter-dallaire080513.mov

& a CBC article:
Canada losing moral standing over treatment of Omar Khadr: Dallaire

Alas, links to this story were on BB: I just don't have the patience to hunt them all down VIA the Net. They went down as the board was scrapped. However, there are a few links from the CBC article above.

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serum114

Damn that almost looks like it could be a Rumsfeld quote.

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Canadian Detainee at Guantanamo Wins Document Access
by Rob Gillies
TORONTO - Canada’s government violated the constitution when it gave American officials the results of interviews conducted with a Canadian detainee at the Guantanamo Bay prison, the nation’s top court said Friday.

The high court ruled 9-0 that Omar Khadr has a constitutional right to material directly related to interviews that Canadian intelligence officials conducted with him during his detention.

Khadr’s attorneys say they’ll use the documents to help defend him against a murder charge before a U.S. tribunal.

Khadr was captured in July 2002 and is accused of throwing a grenade that killed a U.S. special forces soldier during a firefight in Afghanistan. He was 15 at the time and is now 21.

He has been held since October 2002 at the prison, where some 275 men are being held for alleged links to al-Qaida and the Taliban.

The court said the Canadian government violated a provision in Canada’s bill of rights that requires disclosure of evidence.

The high court said Canada was wrong to interview Khadr in a place where international laws are not followed and that Canada became a participant in a process that violated Canada’s international human rights obligations.

The court said a lower court judge will “decide which documents fall within the scope of the disclosure obligation.”

That could leave the door open for the government to raise objections on some material by citing national security.

Nathan Whitling, Khadr’s lawyer, said he was happy with the ruling, but the court’s decision limits what they will be able to see.

Whitling said he wanted the court to release a U.S. military report, shared with Canada, that details the battle that resulted in the soldier’s death.

“The remedy is far short of what we’re hoping for,” Whitling said.

A lawyer for Canada’s Justice Department, Robert Frater, accused Khadr’s lawyers in March of going on a “fishing expedition” for sensitive intelligence information. He said U.S. practices at Guantanamo Bay should not be on trial in a Canadian courtroom.

Jameel Jaffer, director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s National Security Project, said the court’s decision makes a clear statement that the legal system under which Khadr was detained and charged was unlawful.

“The Canadian court’s decision is a declaration that Guantanamo is not an island without law,” he said in a statement.

Khadr is expected to be among the first detainees to face a U.S. war-crimes trial since the World War II era. He faces a maximum sentence of life in prison if convicted on charges including murder, conspiracy and supporting terrorism.

Canadian foreign affairs spokesman Neil Hrab reiterated Friday the government’s long-standing position when asked if Canada will seek his release.

“The government of Canada has sought and received assurances that Mr. Khadr is being treated humanely,” Hrab said. “Any questions regarding whether Canada plans to ask for the release of Omar Khadr are premature.”

Khadr has received little sympathy in Canada, where his family has been called the “First Family of Terrorism.”

Khadr is the son of an alleged al-Qaida financier. One of Khadr’s brothers has acknowledged that their Egyptian-born father, Ahmed Said Khadr, and some of his brothers fought for al-Qaida and had stayed with Osama bin Laden.

Another brother, Abdullah Khadr, is being held in Canada on a U.S. extradition warrant, accused of supplying weapons to al-Qaida.

The elder Khadr was killed in Pakistan in 2003 when a Pakistani military helicopter shelled the house where he was staying with some senior al-Qaida operatives.

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