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Old 05-08-2008, 10:32 AM   #31 (permalink)
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One, high speed chases elevate adrenalin levels. It can't be avoided. A solution? Don't have the cops with elevated adrenalin levels actually take the suspects into custody. Easier said, I know, but calmer heads might not have beat them into the hospital.

It's funny but the only officer showing any restraint is the K9 cop.
MUCH easier said than done for sure! Being on the other end of the radio I can attest that the adrenalin is almost automatic in most arrests where the subject is resisting. (Resisting can be verbal too.)

A good agency has patrol Admin. on duty 24/7 to help prevent this. They monitor the radios and ride around checking up on the patrol units. (That's another reason so many cops carry cells with two-way).

K9 officers have to be the most restrained. They are walking around with a four-legged lawsuit waiting to happen. Hell, my squad did a car pursuit on a dirtbag that broke into an elderly couple's home, burglarized it, and he stole their car as well. One of my units saw the vehicle and had me run it through NCIC to confirm it stolen (even tho' he knew I'd just entered it stolen-he was thorough), and after it was confirmed he "lit 'em up" (lights), and the subject chose to run. The squad chased him all the way out to Tampa Bay where he ran the car into the mangroves. The foot pursuit began, and my K9 Cpl. yelled at him to stop 6 times...then he released the dog. The subject was in the water by then, and he started drowning the dog, so my Cpl. gave the bite command. The dog could only reach his face due to the hold the subject had on him, so he peeled the guys face down on one side, and the focker let go.

EMS was called, yada, yada, yada. The AH now has an active lawsuit against the agency. 'Nuff said?
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MUCH easier said than done for sure! Being on the other end of the radio I can attest that the adrenalin is almost automatic in most arrests where the subject is resisting. (Resisting can be verbal too.)

A good agency has patrol Admin. on duty 24/7 to help prevent this. They monitor the radios and ride around checking up on the patrol units. (That's another reason so many cops carry cells with two-way).

K9 officers have to be the most restrained. They are walking around with a four-legged lawsuit waiting to happen. Hell, my squad did a car pursuit on a dirtbag that broke into an elderly couple's home, burglarized it, and he stole their car as well. One of my units saw the vehicle and had me run it through NCIC to confirm it stolen (even tho' he knew I'd just entered it stolen-he was thorough), and after it was confirmed he "lit 'em up" (lights), and the subject chose to run. The squad chased him all the way out to Tampa Bay where he ran the car into the mangroves. The foot pursuit began, and my K9 Cpl. yelled at him to stop 6 times...then he released the dog. The subject was in the water by then, and he started drowning the dog, so my Cpl. gave the bite command. The dog could only reach his face due to the hold the subject had on him, so he peeled the guys face down on one side, and the focker let go.

EMS was called, yada, yada, yada. The AH now has an active lawsuit against the agency. 'Nuff said?
Wish I was on that jury. fucker would do time just for trying to drown a dog. If you resist, all bets are off. I don't expect a cop to endanger themself for no reason. I've only seen the video a couple of times, but they did look like they weren't resisting. I mean the cops have them out of the cars and on the ground in seconds. and the beating still goes on. what shocks me is NY, no way you need to fire your weapon 31 times.
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Old 05-08-2008, 10:49 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Fuck those three fools. They shot a cop, what the fuck did they think would happen. Ignorant motherfuckers!!!!
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Old 05-08-2008, 10:52 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Fuck those three fools. They shot a cop, what the fuck did they think would happen. Ignorant motherfuckers!!!!
Technically, a cop was shot a week or two ago, and not by these guys.

These guys were allegedly involved in a drive-by shooting.
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Old 05-08-2008, 10:59 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Technically, a cop was shot a week or two ago, and not by these guys.

These guys were allegedly involved in a drive-by shooting.
Hmm, must have been an old article (i'll have to go back over that one). Thanks for the correction.
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Fuck those three fools. They shot a cop, what the fuck did they think would happen. Ignorant motherfuckers!!!!
I hope your never on my jury. lol, I kid!
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Hmm, must have been an old article (i'll have to go back over that one). Thanks for the correction.
No problem.
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I hope your never on my jury. lol, I kid!


Never happen!! I'm smart enough to get out of it.

And i'm going back over the article i read. It sounds like i had some bad info on this one. My apologies to everyone if so.
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Not bad at all in my book guest. This type of post has become the norm as of late.
I titled it the way CNN reported, G. I was watching CNN and they kept repeating 'three black men beaten by cops'. If they'd have said 'three persons of indiscriminate race' I would've titled the thread as such.

And let me just say, once more, I am not saying these three dudes should not be prosecuted. If they are guilty by all means convict.

Verbally resisting gives cops the rights to beat my brains in?? Thin skinned, much? These dudes were ON THE GROUND AND RESTRAINED. THE COPS KEPT BEATING THEM.

Regardless of 'high emotions' or being 'verbally resisted' these cops overreacted.

Let me repeat for everyone to hear one more time:

ON THE GROUND AND RESTRAINED. COPS KEPT BEATING THEM.
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Wish I was on that jury. fucker would do time just for trying to drown a dog.
I haven't kept up with it, but when I left Florida there was a bill in motion to make it a crime (other than a property crime I mean) to assault a K9.

As far as I'm concerned they should be treated like an officer under the law. Gawd knows they have way more training! My K9 Cpl. trained that dog daily and kept meticulous records. He also attended every law enforcement K9 event or conference.
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