Heretic

Every interview of Biden is going to remind me of the great opportunity Iowa threw away. Granted their top pick was the next best possible option, but that Hillary came in even at third disturbs me to no end.

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julia

Name recognition.
Ppl have a serious lack of ideas

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anhailla

It is not Iowas fault Biden didn't do better Heretic. Hiliary came in freaking 3rd and you still are mad....no matter, I know when to give up.

sniff sniff

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anhailla

The Maginificent Son Of Bitch is back on MSNBC!!!

WAKE UP HERETIC!

man...I could deal with seeing Biden on TV every day talking some sense into the American people.

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Heretic

Excuses, excuses...

I've been catching replays. He actually walked himself back from the use of bullshit. C'mong, Biden! That's exactly the thing to say. Be proud you spoke your mind.

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hotair

Actually: Abbas (as president) was forced to throw the election results out, when Hamas refused to form a government. Thus they are not any government at all, legitimate or otherwise.

Even if Hamas had been able to form a government? The PA would have become a “Terrorist State” as defined by international treaty, and law. (Which is why the international community was forced to cut off all aid (financial, and otherwise) to the PA after the elections, that you are talking about.)

It is not just a “few” criminals. Harboring a criminal is a crime. Adding, and abetting is a crime. Treason is a crime! Hamas’s rebellion against the PA constitutes a civil war at best, and treason at the very worse. Hamas has declared war first against Israel, and now against the PA!

It is a war!!! Pretending that it is not war, is not going to change anything.




All of which raises the question: How exactly does a cow negotiate with the butcher?

Everyone has tried to talk with Hamas. The Israelis, the PA (Abbas), the Saudis, the UAE, the UN, the EU, the Arab League, and even the Egyptians have tried to get through to Hamas. They refuse to listen to anyone. They continue to attack Israel.


Again . . . Like it or not. It already is a war!

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hotair

True . . . Mr. Clancy writes fiction. Yet his stories have good guy’s, and thus they must have bad guy’s doing bad things, in order to give the good guy’s something to do.

In his book “The Sum of all Fears” Clancy writes about a terrorist nuclear attack against the US. In writing his book, he planned a terrorist attack. He gets away with it, because planning an action is not illegal.

There is no legal basis for arresting anyone because they might commit some crime in the future. At least not yet! (subject to change, without notice!!!)

Your conspiracy charges can only be brought against someone only after they have committed an actual crime.

I repeat! Only after someone has actually committed a crime, can they be charged with conspiring to commit that crime.

i.e.: A group (say ten) of people plan a robbery. But only one person in that group actually commits the robbery. That one person is charged with committing the robbery, and the others can be charged with planning the robbery. (But only if the robbery actually happens!)

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winthrop

John McCain disagrees with you, so you may want to discuss it with him.

Is the "war on drugs" a war? Are the drug dealers at war with the
U.S.? "War" is a term thrown about very loosely. The terrorists are
not a nation-state, they are a conspiracy of criminals.

Perhaps by not being a cow. However, "not being a cow" need not
include bring death and destruction to everyone in the market in order
to neutralize the butcher. Concentrate on the butcher, and permit the
innocents to live in peace.

Again . . . "war" is a word which makes feeding the military industrial
complex a priority, when criminal prosecution does not require war.
There may be occasions when the military is needed to execute
certain operations in order to apprehend criminals, but "wars" against
criminal organizations need not result in the horrors in which war
(in its true sense) results.

He "gets away with it" because he is writing fiction, not
meeting, planning, arranging for travel, weapons, timetables with
associates in an attempt to literally commit mass murder.
Acting, or planning to act in the real world, is different from writing
a fictional scenario.

Tell that to this fellow:

USF Professor Called Leader Of U.S. Terror Cell
Al-Arian Among Eight Accused Of Ties To Palestinian Islamic Jihad

TAMPA, Fla. -- A University of South Florida professor was arrested Thursday and charged with being the leader of Palestinian Islamic Jihad's organization in the United States and of setting up a terrorist cell at the school.

Television reports showed Sami Al-Arian being led away in handcuffs by authorities to the federal courthouse in Tampa. Agents also removed boxes from Al-Arian's home, mosque and the Islamic school he founded.

Al-Arian, a Palestinian who was born in Kuwait, was one of four people arrested in Florida and Chicago. Authorities were still searching for four other men, officials in Washington, D.C., said.

The eight are charged with racketeering, extortion, perjury, conspiracy to commit murder and raising money to be used by a terrorist organization.

Attorney General John Ashcroft said Palestinian Islamic Jihad is responsible for killing 100 people in and around Israel and called it "one of the most violent terrorist organizations in the world."

The indictment, returned by a federal grand jury in Tampa, was unsealed Thursday. It charges that the men are members of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, designated by the United States as a terrorist organization. Al-Arian, 45, is described as the group's U.S. leader and secretary of its worldwide council.

Al-Arian, who has been under investigation by the federal government for several years, has said he is being targeted for his pro-Palestinian views. Outside Tampa FBI headquarters on Thursday, he claimed he's a political prisoner, not a terrorist.

"It's all about politics," Al-Arian told reporters as agents led him inside.

The U.S. Attorney's Office in Tampa had said last year that Al-Arian was under federal investigation, but refused to elaborate.

The tenured computer engineering professor was placed on paid leave and banned from campus shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and a subsequent appearance on Fox News Channel.

He was quizzed about links to known terrorists, and asked about tapes from the late 1980s and early 1990s in which he could be heard shouting "Death to Israel" in Arabic.

Terrorism expert Steve Emerson, author of "Jihad in America," said that as far back as 1994, Al-Arian was suspected of terrorist activities.

"The bottom line is he was engaged in a conspiracy to carry out terrorist attacks," Emerson told NBC 6 senior correspondent Ike Seamans on Thursday.

For years, Emerson says, Islamic Jihad listed Al-Arian's Tampa address as its U.S. headquarters.

The FBI undercovered documents showing he raised money for terrorist groups, Seamans learned. Al-Arian says he raised money only for charities that assisted the widows of Palestinians killed by Israeli soldiers. But NBC 6 learned that one of his Tampa fund-raisers was for Sheik Omar Rahman, currently serving a life prison term for the 1992 bombing of the World Trade Center.

Some of Al-Arian's speeches during the fund-raisers have come under scrutiny by federal officials.

In one speech, taped by Al-Arian himself, he is heard saying, "damn America, damn Israel, let us damn their allies until death."

Al-Arian has said that he has never advocated violence against others and that his words were a statement against Israeli occupation. He also has consistently denied any connection to terrorists.

Al-Arian Suspended By University

The University of South Florida suspended Al-Arian last August, saying the investigation was hurting the school's fund-raising efforts and triggering threats against the school.

"This was disconcerting but not surprising," USF spokesman Michael Reich said of Al-Arian's arrest.

At the beginning of an already scheduled board of trustees meeting on campus Thursday, USF President Judy Genshaft said the trustees still needed to review the indictment and didn't have a timetable set on what action they would take.

"We must continue to act prudently and do what's best for our institution," she said.

Al-Arian does have supporters, including family and some USF faculty members. "Everyone knows my husband is innocent, even those who accuse him of all these things for political reasons," Al-Arian's wife, Nahla, said as she left her home Thursday to attend her husband's court hearing. "I saw injustice happen to my brother, I see it now to my husband. I've been living it for years."

Last month, the faculty union at the University of South Florida filed a grievance on Al-Arian's behalf, saying that banning him from campus violated the union's contract, Al-Arian's right to academic freedom and its own policy of nondiscrimination on the basis of ethnicity and religious affiliation.

His brother-in-law, who also had taught at the university, spent more than 3 ½ years in jail on secret evidence linking him to terrorists. He was released in 2000 but arrested again in November 2001 and deported last August.

Omar Ahmad, chairman of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said his group is "very concerned that the government would bring charges after investigating an individual for many years without offering any evidence of criminal activity."

"This action could leave the impression that Al-Arian's arrest is based on political considerations, not legitimate national security concerns," he said.

Al-Arian's criminal defense attorney, Nicholas Matassini, said on Thursday that his client is on a hunger strike while jailed in Tampa, and that Al-Arian is refusing all food, water and medical assistance. He calls the charges against Al-Arian "fiction".

"He feels strongly in the right to support the Palestinian cause and the people of Palestine without fear of persecution by this country because that is an unpopular belief," Matassini said.

He ultimately entered a guilty plea to conspiracy and was deported
in 2006.

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hotair

Or I could just consider the source!

Which would save myself a whole lot of time, trouble, and bother.

The simple answer is yes.

True . . . Their actions are criminal. They do commit crimes. However some terrorists (such as Hezbollah, which is composed mostly of “volunteers” from the Iranian Revolutionary Guard) are in fact extensions of nation-states. While some other terrorist groups are not directly tied to any particular nation-state. Which is why we have so many different terms such a Terrorist State, State Sponsored Terrorism, and Terrorists.

What separates terrorism from other ordinary crimes, is essentially the fact that terrorism is by definition unrestricted warfare conducted specifically against civilian populations. Thus by definition: Acts of terrorism, are acts of war!

This becomes a problem when the butcher insists on using everyone else in the market place as human shields. The butcher is the only target, thus the hostages that the butcher is hiding behind become purely collateral damage.

Obviously the cow does not wish to hurt anyone. But the choice is not the cows to make. Permitting the ‘innocents to live in peace’ is solely in the hands of the butcher. The only people here who are empowered to make any choices here are the butchers, and to a lesser degree the butchers hostages. Since the hostages out number the butchers, they could decide to just throw the butchers out of the market place all together, and then everyone would be happy.

Ok . . . “War” is a word. I will grant you that. Your entire post is made up of words. My entire post is also made up of words. All communication between people is conducted by the use of words. However . . . Words have meanings. The word “war” has a meaning, it represents an event. A thing that happens. It is the ultimate expression of physical competition.

While the way someone conducts a war, may be subject to criminal prosecution. Criminal prosecution has nothing at all to do with war. War has nothing at all to do with criminal prosecution. Neither is the byproduct of the other.

War is a state of conflict between people. When criminal organizations fight back against an authority, it is possible for a state of war to exist with that criminal organization. (Mostly it is a matter of organization, tactics, and force.) Any authority has a responsibility to the community. When people commit crimes, the responsible authority is required, by virtue of its responsibilities to the community, to act against those criminals. Using whatever force that is necessary! Now criminals can resist an authority, without necessarily starting a war. But the choice to resist, and how much force to resist with, is solely the decision of the criminals. The acting authority has no choice in the matter. Either the criminals go along quietly, or they choose to resist. When the criminals choose to resist, the acting authority is required to use whatever force that is necessary to subdue the criminals. In which case, it is possible for the resulting conflict to escalate into open warfare.

However. We are not talking about criminals here. We are talking about terrorists. People who commit acts of terrorism. People who conduct unrestricted war against civilians. When soldiers from opposing armies limit their attacks to each other, you have conventional warfare. When members of one army (or militia) intentionally limit their attacks specifically against civilians, you have a special form of warfare: Terrorism is quite simply a specific form of warfare.

For example: There is “Conventional Warfare” which describes one type of warfare, there is “Unconventional Warfare” which describes another type of warfare, and then there is “Terrorism” which describes yet another type of warfare! Different types of warfare, are all defined by different words. So as to distinguish the various types of warfare, from each other.

No!!!

As I said . . . He gets away with it because no actual crime has been committed.

How do you know if he does not hold meetings to discuss the feasibility of his planed attacks? For that matter, how do you know what process he uses to write his stories? He may very well actually travel to the sites of his targets, in order to determine how the attacks should me made.

You are right about the difference between acting, and planning. Which is why it is not illegal to plan, so long as that plan is not actually used to commit an actual crime.

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hotair

Is there any point here?

Other than . . . “He ultimately entered a guilty plea to conspiracy and was deported in 2006.”

So . . . He plead guilty to conspiring with others to commit crimes?

Crimes were committed, and he had an active part in the execution of those crimes.

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