Heretic

The majority of the court also said there's nothing unconstitutional about regulating firearms.

That's an exaggeration.

What should disturb everyone is the extremists in the NRA leadership [basically all of them now] are embolden to attack any an all firearms regulation.

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Ptech

That is not entirely true Heretic.

The NRA guy was on Hardball last night. They would like many current gun regulations enforced. Some, probably most, of the zillions of gun laws are wrong. Some are OK.

The gun laws remind me of the drug laws. Both are founded upon the very best of intentions, but neither of them can bring some sort of Utopia in which guns and drugs are not present in society.

Both are rather idealistic views of society, and they do not take reality into account when their performance and efficacy are judged.

julia

The fact that there is more handgun violence, killings and suicides in this country than any other "developed" country does not bother you?

The ruling was on the handguns ban in DC.

None of you pro-handgun folks must live where there is no urban violence.

Nobody wants to take your shotguns from you. The issue was handguns.

And no, handguns were not around at the time of the founders.

PursuitOfHappinessParty

I don't know, they've managed not to view anything up to this point, tho I do worry that they've 'cracked' the seal, so to speak.

The dissenting Judges worry me, tho I see the SCOTUS becoming so politicized and partisan that the true purpose for their existence is in grave danger.

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PursuitOfHappinessParty

But you must know that if this 'handgun' ban had been supported, that would have been used as the precedence to start banning other guns in other areas.

I also point out our population in regards to your figures, not to mention the sheer volume of guns you're talking about (I also would point out that per capita, I would imagine Japan has more suicides). It is a matter of comparsion per capita, and I would imagine that if you use violence in comparison to gun numbers and citizen numbers, you might be surprised at how well we compare to other nations.

Vehicles kill more people than guns. More Americans die on our highways than any other 'developed country'. Do you want to ban cars? Same logic applies, so then an exclusion would be more of a personal choice as opposed to using statistical evidence.

Dallas, per capita in comparison to other American urban cities, is very violent. That violence is why I support my ability to carry and conceal a weapon, as I really hate ducking bullets for the 30 to 40 minute average DPD response time. Hard to conceal a shotgun, BTW.

States with Concealment Permits have violent crime numbers go down drastically.

Don't forget that criminals don't really care what the SCOTUS says, they're already on the other side of the law. This ban is another control mechanism for use on the general public, and KUDOS to the Justices.

BTW, handguns were around at the time of our forefathers in the form of musket-ball firing pistols. You notice how the wording in the 2A, like most of their writings, was vague to allow for invention and innovation?

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Ptech

Julia, this is not really about being bothered, is it?

It is about constitutional law, like it or not. And I daresay that pistols have been around at least since the American Revolution.

And if this recently struck-down law was working so damn well, why on earth was there so much gun violence in the District?

julia

Many gun crimes in cities are done with illegal and or stolen handguns.

You can not be serious comparing a musket gun to a hand gun, automatic or not....any idea how they are even loaded? Ever seen one in person?

Both of my granfathers were expert marksmen. I do have an excellent shot with no training. I have no problem with sport rifles: it's handguns that need to be better regulated.

I'll be in the DC area in a few days so I will look for crime stats to post while there.

PursuitOfHappinessParty

Which supports legal handgun ownership. I would venture to say MOST as opposed to many crimes, BTW.

Sure you can compare them. They are both cutting-edge technology of their day, both to be used for the same reason and designed for ease of carrying. The musket gun compares to the rifles of the day just like handguns compare to the rifles of today.

BTW, you didn't wait to load muskets. You kept them loaded, so the first shot was ready.

Let me be quite clear on this point. ABSOLUTELY all guns, like all cars, should be regulated properly. Its the 'properly' part that the SCOTUS reviewed.

I could probably google that info, but suffice to use memory for the context of this conversation. DC, per capita, is one of the 3 or 4 top cities for violent crimes. It would seem that 'banning' as opposed to 'regulating' hasn't held up to scrutiny.

Not to mention that violent crime drops in all States with Handgun Concealment Permits.

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Heretic

Most of the NRA leadership have taken the most hardline position in U.S. history over firearms regulation, however.

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PursuitOfHappinessParty

My problem is the fact that everytime gun ownership, licensing, procurment, laws, uses, abuses, or any other topic comes up, the NRA is mentioned withing the first two or three posts.

Gun laws, the 2A, and gun ownership has nothing to do with the NRA directly. All boys aren't Boy Scouts.

I can support gun ownership, sane and just regulations, Concealment licenses, and the right to own an Apache Attack Helicopter without actually having to associate myself with idiotic NRA desires, nor do I support their lobby abilities anymore than I support any other lobby.

Its all a part of the 'POH' in POHP. We need to focus on the actions of the gun criminals and less on the gun owners, aka full fledged law abiding citiens, aka We The People.

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