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Old 07-09-2008, 10:29 AM   #91 (permalink)
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This race to the middle is totally unimportant, IMO.
The middle is not the problem. Balance is in the middle. Since WHEN are progressives alright with making Religiosos front stage and CENTER?

A race to the middle is one thing if it entails bowing before Reason and Moderation. It is quite another if it entails abandonment of core principles. Setting aside Obama's particular concessions, do you agree that a race to the middle is not to be accomplished by abandonment of principle?


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I think what we have to look at is what kind of judges each of these guys would appoint. McCain will appoint E-man clones to the supreme court and we will become the only superpower in history with Sharia Law.
That is because Americans are, by and large, cowardly. They will withstand any length or brutality of aggression against people of another land but, here at home, they're afraid of the bogey man. Me, too. There are LOTS of Bad Guys runnin' around...with money and weapons and LOTS to lose.

If McCain proposes a reactionary judge and Congress appears poised to do its usual gutless wonder thing, have the people no recourse at all? It is amazing how often I hear of execution-style killings of officials in other countries, whereas we have only a handful of assassinations amongst our historical credits. Usually, we like to be Top Banana at everything.

Mind, for the record, I am not encouraging violence, I am merely wondering at how little there is of it, particularly when the Government is impervious to and tortuous of the People.

As well, when the United States means business and not imperialism, it imposes economic sanctions.

The People could impose economic sanctions, but apparently won't. We are not nearly so keen on doing what is required to effect change as we are on announcing how keen we are on effecting change.
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Old 07-09-2008, 11:29 AM   #92 (permalink)
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Ridicule IS persecution.

persecute: subject to prolonged hostility and ill-treatment; persistently harass or annoy
Technically correct, but it seems unfair to call it persecution when they deserved it...
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That and the Puritans didn't leave England due to persecution, they left because of ridicule. Charles II bought into Puritan ideology and forced the whole country into it. He ordered that no one have fun, no one party, no loud colors, etc. Then Charles III takes the throne and reserves all of that [most of the country breathed a collective sigh of relief]. The Puritans got pissed off that they could no longer dictate everyone else's lives, so they got into a leaky boat and sailed to where they could massacre Indians.
Actually the Puritans found the Massoquoit Indians already dead. From smallpox, most likely. They thought god had delivered them to a holy place just for them, complete with abodes and stored food. It was god's plan. And we've been living with that fucked up philosophy ever since! god bless america, indeed!
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The People could impose economic sanctions, but apparently won't. We are not nearly so keen on doing what is required to effect change as we are on announcing how keen we are on effecting change.
You want real change convince 300 million people to stop shopping at WalMart.
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Actually the Puritans found the Massoquoit Indians already dead. From smallpox, most likely. They thought god had delivered them to a holy place just for them, complete with abodes and stored food. It was god's plan. And we've been living with that fucked up philosophy ever since! god bless america, indeed!
The Puritans emigrated first to the Netherlands, but you know those Dutch and their wooly headed free thinking ways drove them over the edge. They also did slaughter a huge number of Indians in the Connecticut River valley and the celebration that followed is the real origin of Thanksgiving today. Not the most pleasant thought while you're drowning the hard as rock Bells stuffing in gravy just to make it palatable.
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The Puritans emigrated first to the Netherlands, but you know those Dutch and their wooly headed free thinking ways drove them over the edge. They also did slaughter a huge number of Indians in the Connecticut River valley and the celebration that followed is the real origin of Thanksgiving today. Not the most pleasant thought while you're drowning the hard as rock Bells stuffing in gravy just to make it palatable.
Not saying they didn't. Just they found abandoned vilages and thought god was providing for them. Pure delusional thinking.
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Let me clarify my position about this issue. I see no problem wioth the government funding a religious charity program that is already up and running. Successful programs that could be more so with an influx of money. Borderline ones that could work with more cash. I am not saying that NEW organizations should be created. and they have to adhere to fed guidelines, no discrimination of services, etc.
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Ridicule IS persecution.

persecute: subject to prolonged hostility and ill-treatment; persistently harass or annoy
We're talking about merely turning their crazy beliefs the laughing stock of England, and rightly so.

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Actually the Puritans found the Massoquoit Indians already dead. From smallpox, most likely. They thought god had delivered them to a holy place just for them, complete with abodes and stored food. It was god's plan. And we've been living with that fucked up philosophy ever since! god bless america, indeed!
Puritans were involved in massacres of other Indians including the Seneca.
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