Obama wants to expand faith-based programs

gonzo · 07-01-2008, 02:55 PM

CHICAGO - Reaching out to religious voters, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama called for expanding President Bush's program steering federal social service dollars to religious groups and — in a move sure to cause controversy — supported some ability to hire and fire based on faith.

(Note: The Associated Press initially reported Obama supports "their (faith-based organizations') ability to hire and fire based on faith." NBC reports the campaign says Obama's plan would prevent organizations from discriminating based on faith. The Associated Press changed its wording to say, "some ability to hire and fire based on faith." The campaign says this second version is still inaccurate.)

Obama unveiled his approach to getting religious charities more involved in government anti-poverty programs during a tour and remarks Tuesday at Eastside Community Ministry, which provides food, clothes, youth ministry and other services.

More here

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Kanadesaga · 07-01-2008, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by gonzo

CHICAGO - Reaching out to religious voters, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama called for expanding President Bush's program steering federal social service dollars to religious groups and — in a move sure to cause controversy — supported some ability to hire and fire based on faith.

(Note: The Associated Press initially reported Obama supports "their (faith-based organizations') ability to hire and fire based on faith." NBC reports the campaign says Obama's plan would prevent organizations from discriminating based on faith. The Associated Press changed its wording to say, "some ability to hire and fire based on faith." The campaign says this second version is still inaccurate.)

Obama unveiled his approach to getting religious charities more involved in government anti-poverty programs during a tour and remarks Tuesday at Eastside Community Ministry, which provides food, clothes, youth ministry and other services.

More here

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it's a smart move. It's a constiuency that can't be ignored.

The_Heretic · 07-01-2008, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kanadesaga

it's a smart move. It's a constiuency that can't be ignored.

And there are some religious charities that actually do an excellent job without pushing their religion onto those they help.

babylonDon · 07-02-2008, 03:50 AM

It's not enough, by a long shot. This should be a low level supplemental program, at most.

I still don't believe in giving government money to any religious organization, even any that could possibly NOT be a fraud.

K2Flex · 07-02-2008, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by babylonDon

It's not enough, by a long shot. This should be a low level supplemental program, at most.

I still don't believe in giving government money to any religious organization, even any that could possibly NOT be a fraud.

Agreed. They get enough already in the form of not having to pay taxes.

The_Heretic · 07-02-2008, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by K2Flex

Agreed. They get enough already in the form of not having to pay taxes.

True that.

No Representation Without Taxation!

cheapseats · 07-02-2008, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Kanadesaga

it's a smart move. It's a constiuency that can't be ignored.

It is a smart political move, maybe. It is NOT a wise move.

Churches should receive NO federal funding, NONE. Ergo, separation of church and state. One can NEVER be separate from who pays the bills, EVER.

The whole reason Churches don't pay taxes is because they're supposed to be using their many many contributions in God's work on earth, yes?

MOREOVER, strings attached are strings attached. If you can make giving money contingent on the churches not doing something, you can make giving money contingent on the churches DOING something. It is a hop, skip and a jump from government telling religion what to believe, or the other way around...government telling religion how to vote, or the other way around.

Y'All should be up in arms over this but nooooo. GoBama!

Pray tell, where is the outrage that the Great Non-White Hope was obliged to reject and renounce the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, while his courting of the Father/Son Graham tag team is applauded?

mentor · 07-02-2008, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by cheapseats

It is a smart political move, maybe. It is NOT a wise move.

Churches should receive NO federal funding, NONE. Ergo, separation of church and state. One can NEVER be separate from who pays the bills, EVER.

The whole reason Churches don't pay taxes is because they're supposed to be using their many many contributions in God's work on earth, yes?

MOREOVER, strings attached are strings attached. If you can make giving money contingent on the churches not doing something, you can make giving money contingent on the churches DOING something. It is a hop, skip and a jump from government telling religion what to believe, or the other way around...government telling religion how to vote, or the other way around.

Y'All should be up in arms over this but nooooo. GoBama!

Pray tell, where is the outrage that the Great Non-White Hope was obliged to reject and renounce the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, while his courting of the Father/Son Graham tag team is applauded?

Churches should be TAXED.

cheapseats · 07-02-2008, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mentor

Churches should be TAXED.

A child would understand this.

God would approve.

Ptech · 07-02-2008, 11:53 AM

It is still possible I would vote for Obama, but his shameless pandering on this faith-based bullshit, and his vote in favor of giving the telecom companies immunity for violating our constitutional rights have made me think twice about it.

More statements like that, and I don't see anything to prove that he is an agent of change.

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gonzo strange brew Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: woods Posts: 1,677 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 62 Thanked 53 Times in 32 Posts	Obama wants to expand faith-based programs CHICAGO - Reaching out to religious voters, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama called for expanding President Bush's program steering federal social service dollars to religious groups and — in a move sure to cause controversy — supported some ability to hire and fire based on faith. (Note: The Associated Press initially reported Obama supports "their (faith-based organizations') ability to hire and fire based on faith." NBC reports the campaign says Obama's plan would prevent organizations from discriminating based on faith. The Associated Press changed its wording to say, "some ability to hire and fire based on faith." The campaign says this second version is still inaccurate.) Obama unveiled his approach to getting religious charities more involved in government anti-poverty programs during a tour and remarks Tuesday at Eastside Community Ministry, which provides food, clothes, youth ministry and other services. More here (Hereeeee we go...)
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babylonDon Canalien Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Sing-Sing (whatcha' gotta jiboo) Posts: 4,401 My Mood: Blog Entries: 5 Thanks: 85 Thanked 128 Times in 84 Posts	It's not enough, by a long shot. This should be a low level supplemental program, at most. I still don't believe in giving government money to any religious organization, even any that could possibly NOT be a fraud. __________________ http://action.credomobile.com/comics...ing_obama.html McCain '08: 'He'll Get Those Kids Off Your Lawn' “Ahh, Cat Juggling. The sport of kings. Crazy, crazy kings.”- Oscar Wilde
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Ptech Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Fort Pierce FL Posts: 1,251 Thanks: 34 Thanked 23 Times in 21 Posts	It is still possible I would vote for Obama, but his shameless pandering on this faith-based bullshit, and his vote in favor of giving the telecom companies immunity for violating our constitutional rights have made me think twice about it. More statements like that, and I don't see anything to prove that he is an agent of change.
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