Lieberman Calls Liberal Democratic Base ‘Paranoid’ - Page 3

TrueBlueAmerican · 11-09-2007, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkMiller

TrueBlue you know I like ya dude....but the statement about taking all the "Jews" thing sort of threw me as well. Please clarify this if you can, as it does make you sound like an anti Semite. Why would you make the statement.

I to am not a big fan of Israel but, come on.......

A fair reading of my comments doesn't make me an anti semite. Im opposed to foreign nationals, in this case foreign Israeli's who are certainly not Israeli-Arabs, having an input on American foreign policy through the apartus of the Heritage Foundation and Neocon circles. My bottom line: all foreign nationals should be banned from participating in American politics. My comment about sending all the non-American Jews meddling in American foreign policy out of the country was a bit off the cuff, but the message remains the same, which is that they should be barred from our government. So if they want to go to starbucks to sip on a latte thats fine. But if they are heading to D.C. to lobby for a war with Iran, well thats where I draw the line.

And its interesting how, even though I did not direct my comments towards American Jews at all, and rather singled them out of my train of thought with the 'non-American' phrase, I still sound anti-semitic?

Its like, after being critical of anything Jewish or Israel related, I have to add an "I Love the Jews" soundbite. "We all love the Armenians, err I mean Jews!" -B.M.

MarkMiller · 11-09-2007, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TrueBlueAmerican

A fair reading of my comments doesn't make me an anti semite. Im opposed to foreign nationals, in this case foreign Israeli's who are certainly not Israeli-Arabs, having an input on American foreign policy through the apartus of the Heritage Foundation and Neocon circles. My bottom line: all foreign nationals should be banned from participating in American politics. My comment about sending all the non-American Jews meddling in American foreign policy out of the country was a bit off the cuff, but the message remains the same, which is that they should be barred from our government.

And its interesting how, even though I did not direct my comments towards American Jews at all, and rather singled them out of my train of thought with the 'non-American' phrase, I still sound anti-Semitic?

Its like, after being critical of anything Jewish or Israel related, I have to add an "I Love the Jews" soundbite. "We all love the Armenians, err I mean Jews!" -B.M.

OK, I think I understand. You were speaking directly to a subject which was about Lieberman and his non American Political allies who just happen to be Jewish....and then we mistook the comment for something bigoted. For my part I have to say I react that way with all comments directed to a single group which may be politically motivated. I can except your explanation. It just sounds bad with all the anti semitic rhetoric being bashed about here lately.

If you are not against Jews just for being Jewish....than accept my apology.

TrueBlueAmerican · 11-09-2007, 09:45 PM

Sometimes I wish I was an American Jew so I can say what needs to be said about the state of American foreign policy, sans the repercussions. Well, with fewer repercussions anyway. Ive heard some pretty nasty things said by Jews to Jews who are critical of Israel, i.e. "self loathing jews".

MarkMiller · 11-09-2007, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TrueBlueAmerican

Sometimes I wish I was an American Jew so I can say what needs to be said about the state of American foreign policy, sans the repercussions.

You have a point. I got slammed for just being critical of Israel when they were bombing the heck out of Palestine and were picking civilian targets seemingly indescriminantly. I have a real problem with America bombing civilians a well....of course that went over even worse.

voodoo · 11-09-2007, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by VKMHVM2

Iraq and Afghanistan.

I hear they will be greeted with flowers.

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Originally Posted by TrueBlueAmerican

My bottom line: all foreign nationals should be banned from participating in American politics.

Absolutely - that's my problem as well.

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Originally Posted by TrueBlueAmerican

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And its interesting how, even though I did not direct my comments towards American Jews at all, and rather singled them out of my train of thought with the 'non-American' phrase, I still sound anti-semitic?

Yep. That caught me off guard more than once. It is still a bit of a mystery in my mind, maybe it is too complicated. In my past life as a sane american 'Jew' never came up. Just be aware. There are propagandists out there. (not that I think anyone on this thread is, i think

BillCosby · 11-10-2007, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TrueBlueAmerican

Thats irrelevant to my point. Lieberman has done a good job at pushing an Israeli agenda here in the states, so as a reward he could very easily start a new political life in Israeli politics as a nationalist.

Just a few problems with your analysis. I'm not a bigot. I'm not white. I'm certainly not a southerner. And lastly, I don't get 'lit up' by baseless accusations made by strangers.. Just with pot.

I don't care what color you are......... That is a symbol whose meaning is well understood, regardless of where you live....... Not being "white" does not excuse racist comments IMO..........

BillCosby · 11-10-2007, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TrueBlueAmerican

A fair reading of my comments doesn't make me an anti semite. Im opposed to foreign nationals, in this case foreign Israeli's who are certainly not Israeli-Arabs, having an input on American foreign policy through the apartus of the Heritage Foundation and Neocon circles. My bottom line: all foreign nationals should be banned from participating in American politics. My comment about sending all the non-American Jews meddling in American foreign policy out of the country was a bit off the cuff, but the message remains the same, which is that they should be barred from our government. So if they want to go to starbucks to sip on a latte thats fine. But if they are heading to D.C. to lobby for a war with Iran, well thats where I draw the line.

And its interesting how, even though I did not direct my comments towards American Jews at all, and rather singled them out of my train of thought with the 'non-American' phrase, I still sound anti-semitic?

Its like, after being critical of anything Jewish or Israel related, I have to add an "I Love the Jews" soundbite. "We all love the Armenians, err I mean Jews!" -B.M.

I certainly expect every nation to put their interests before those of others.

IMO having to support Israel as a litmus test to be in us government is certainly wrong.... But certainly so is having a litmus test not supporting Israel..........

In fact it is just stupid.... WHy?? cause that is how it works...... Examples are endless. IraQ was our friend. THen our enemy under sadaam the terrorist. Then he was taken off the terrorist list (not that he did anything different) then he was back on again..........

ImusWallower · 11-10-2007, 11:37 AM

Lieberman is american

Heretic · 11-10-2007, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisbb

Lieberman is american

Now someone just needs to remind him of that.

kblair7 · 11-10-2007, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TrueBlueAmerican

In remarks yesterday, Senator Joseph I. Lieberman criticized the Democratic presidential candidates for their adherence to the views of the “politically paranoid, hyper-partisan” liberal base of the Democratic party, saying that allegiance could harm the eventual nominee’s chances of gaining entry to the White House.

The Financial Times termed the speech, given at a Center for Politics and Foreign Relations/Financial Times breakfast at The Johns Hopkins University Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies, the most critical he’s given in the year since he lost the Democratic primary in Connecticut and then successfully won re-election as an independent.

In the speech, Senator Lieberman referred to his primary loss, and denounced the anti-war base of the Democratic party that worked hard to defeat him last year. Despite the fact that he overcame that opposition and won re-election, leading Democrats and many of the presidential candidates, consider the 2006 election results — which gave Democrats majorities in the House and Senate — a mandate against the Iraq war.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...base-paranoid/

My Take

Go back to fucking Israel. Nobody wants you here. And take your pro Iran-war mongering demagoguery with you. And if possible, take all of the non American Jewish Neocons with you as well. Hell, take all of the neocons!

Well this is just more bs to distract from the fact that Democrats have achieved ZERO results since being the majority. Congrats guys you outdid my expectations and thats saying a lot coming from a political nihilist

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