Duvidoo

http://richarddawkins.net/godDelusion

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retarded Duvi showed up and made a fool of himself followed by you.

mentor

You are correct. I miss named the book above. Just finished it two weeks ago. There were some good points in it that I hadn't considered in quite those ways.

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nroberts

The God Delusion is a website?

Duvidoo

Sigh ... if you looked there you can even read the first chapter.
Two related books of possible interest:
Sam Harris / The End of Faith
Christopher Hitchens / God Is Not Great

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nroberts

Books? What are those?

Duvidoo

Looks like those Dark Ages I predicted
a little earlier today are already afoot.

nroberts

Heh...ok.

kblair7

All I can say it is the flaws are apparent, cruise the religion thread and take a look at any of the threads and some of the comments will hopefully reveal what I am trying point out.

If you want me to provide an example I will do my best:

Lets say we have two people, A and B

A is a Atheist
B is a Christian

They have the same level of education and are close in age

B: The bible is the word of God
A: No it is not.

B: Yes. How do you know it is not?
A: God does not exist

B: How do you know?
A: Its backward to believe that one God created the universe

B: Why?
A: because....

Then we get to the part where A can no longer sustain a conversation. People who try to debunk religion often suffer from the same logic flaw, which is trying to disprove the unprovable.
No matter how much evidence you try to present, it is never enough. So why even try? Let people believe what they want to believe and just ignore them.

My theory is people generally have trouble dealing with uncertainty, and will do anything to escape it. I don't mind being uncertain, perhaps it could be described as being certain of my uncertainty. I suppose on some level its inescapeable, that we must accept somethings at faith or at fact.

Like I know the sun will rise in the morning
Why? Well when the earth makes its rotation it appears again on the horizon. How do I know that and how do I prove that it is "truth?"
Well we know because we took pictures in space and we have orbited earth and watched it happen. How do you know that the sun is not a giant flashlight that God is holding or that the moon is a crumb from an enormous sandwich? It know it seems crazy but realizing that nothing is ever certain is very hard for some people to deal with.

I hope that answers your question.

nroberts

I think you're setting up a bit of a straw man here. Your first step doesn't sound realistic...not something that would occur very often in reality. It's really more like:

B: The Bible is the Word of God.
A: I don't believe you.

They may say, "No its not," but most mean, "I don't believe you." It's just that sometimes we get tired of the same old BS....I suggest you check out youtube and seach for "SoldierInGodsArmy" and watch his "Christians don't use circular logic" video. I wish I could provide a direct link.

But I will agree with you up to a point. If an atheist falls for the trap as you've illustrated then yes, they will walk into a brick wall. But it's just an intellectual trap that doesn't actually mean anything. Anyone can walk into such at different points in their life. Maybe they're just tired and frustrated that day and not ready for a maze of formal logic.

However, let's just look at that same conversation between two believers A and B:

A: The Bible is the Word of God.
B: No it's not.

A: How do you know?
B: Because Allah says the Koran is.

A: But Allah is not real. Only Christ can save you. The Bible clearly states...
B: INFIDELL, I SHALL KILL YOU FOR BLASPHEMING ALLAH!!!!

A: Didn't we already kill you fuckers in the crusades? Where was Allah then?
B: BOOM!!!

Who's right? I can't tell from my vantage point. They're both relying on the same "evidence".

AuCanada

The problem at stake here isn't questioning the valid "truths" contained in myths, but the relatively recent take on myths by some groups as literal history. These people miss the point completely and fail to grasp the myth as a powerful tool.

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