Bibble Study-Can I know the real God ? - Page 3

GuitarWizard · 12-16-2007, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Heretic

For those on whom it works, I suppose. But I still say it's more profound to have come from human beings than from a god.

So I link human being's and God together to form are existance so is it profound to come from the flesh absolutly and God thought that way as well I believe that is why he chose to come in human form so that we would be on the same level.

Another words he came down to are level and made himself human because we can not stand on his level of wisdome .

So I agree with your statment on the level of comunication with reguards to God.

The_Heretic · 12-16-2007, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GuitarWizard

Christ's Humanity

St. Luke ,2 :52

And Jesus increased in wisdome and stature,and in favour with God and man.

The basis for the doctrine of the Trinity is found in New Testament passages that associate the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.[21] Two such passages[21] are Matthew's Great Commission: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19) and St Paul's: "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all" (2 Corinthians 13:14).

God was jesus in human flesh which I believe in the trinity that God did not come from another God but from himslef.

The holy spirit wasn't a third face in the room, it was what each of us were said to have once we found the way [imbued with the holy spirit]. But to me that's more similar to the concept that all things are inhabited by the same spirit, which is how the Gnostic texts describe it.

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Originally Posted by GuitarWizard

So I link human being's and God together to form are existance so is it profound to come from the flesh absolutly and God thought that way as well I believe that is why he chose to come in human form so that we would be on the same level.

Another words he came down to are level and made himself human because we can not stand on his level of wisdome .

So I agree with your statment on the level of comunication with reguards to God.

What I mean is that the creation of these theologies are entirely human constructs from start to finish, that no god had a hand in devising them. That's not to say I think there is no divine or spirit, but that we human beings alone created the religions and their codified morals, because we knew we needed them.

Comicsartist · 12-16-2007, 08:43 PM

I look at it as trying to find understanding. Think about it, basically every race on this earth has their own form of religion. The Jews have Judaism, the Arabs Islam, the Anglo-Saxons Catholicism, the Native American Indians Shamanism/Nature Spirit, the list goes on and on. I personally think that God, whatever He/She/It is, did this on purpose. Every religion has their form of messiah. If God would have placed Jesus, the Jewish Carpentar, in the Americas, the native people wouldn't have accepted Him. Didn't look, talk or act like a native inhabitant of the Americas, so the natives would not have had a personal connection to Him. If God placed Jesus in India, same thing. No personal connection, no messiah. What if God simply gave every race/religion their own messiah? One they could connect with?

The_Heretic · 12-16-2007, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Comicsartist

I look at it as trying to find understanding. Think about it, basically every race on this earth has their own form of religion. The Jews have Judaism, the Arabs Islam, the Anglo-Saxons Catholicism, the Native American Indians Shamanism/Nature Spirit, the list goes on and on. I personally think that God, whatever He/She/It is, did this on purpose. Every religion has their form of messiah. If God would have placed Jesus, the Jewish Carpentar, in the Americas, the native people wouldn't have accepted Him. Didn't look, talk or act like a native inhabitant of the Americas, so the natives would not have had a personal connection to Him. If God placed Jesus in India, same thing. No personal connection, no messiah. What if God simply gave every race/religion their own messiah? One they could connect with?

Actually, not every religion has it's messiah. Some religions believe that no one else can take responsibility for your own wrongdoings. Also, religions isn't race specific, otherwise Judaism, Christianity nor Islam would've ever left the middle east. There's more Muslims in Mayalsia alone than in the whole of the middle east [not much more, though].

Comicsartist · 12-16-2007, 09:04 PM

I never said a person can't have the choice of who/what to believe. Hell, I take a bit from a few different religions. Mostly the aspects dealing in love and peace, but that's just me.

Dianekkdi · 12-17-2007, 05:09 PM

mentor · 12-17-2007, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Heretic

The holy spirit wasn't a third face in the room, it was what each of us were said to have once we found the way [imbued with the holy spirit]. But to me that's more similar to the concept that all things are inhabited by the same spirit, which is how the Gnostic texts describe it.

What I mean is that the creation of these theologies are entirely human constructs from start to finish, that no god had a hand in devising them. That's not to say I think there is no divine or spirit, but that we human beings alone created the religions and their codified morals, because we knew we needed them.

Could be describing buddhism here just as easily. I think buddhism may be the most honest religion. In many ways it takes an almost scientific approach to spirituality and consciousness.

The_Heretic · 12-17-2007, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mentor

Could be describing buddhism here just as easily. I think buddhism may be the most honest religion. In many ways it takes an almost scientific approach to spirituality and consciousness.

I think so as well. No court-appointed messianic figures, no Us-v-Them'isms, no godly wrath bullshit, none of that.

mentor · 12-17-2007, 06:22 PM

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I think so as well. No court-appointed messianic figures, no Us-v-Them'isms, no godly wrath bullshit, none of that.

You know I'm 99% atheistic about most religion and spirituality, but I believe I personally have seen "God" (for lack of a better term) in sunsets, surfing big waves, climbing mountains, etc. I don't feel anyone has any more credibilty on the "communing with God" front as anyone else. Less so when they back up their claims with myth and mysticism.

Comicsartist · 12-17-2007, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mentor

You know I'm 99% atheistic about most religion and spirituality, but I believe I personally have seen "God" (for lack of a better term) in sunsets, surfing big waves, climbing mountains, etc. I don't feel anyone has any more credibilty on the "communing with God" front as anyone else. Less so when they back up their claims with myth and mysticism.

Wouldn't that make you a somewhat deist?
Deist: One who admits the possibility of the existence of a God or gods, but claims to know nothing of either, and denies revelation. An agnostic of olden times. www.theosociety.org/pasadena/key/key-glos.htm

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