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Just to throw this out: a third and fourth possibility exists:

God does not exist but the bible is not complete bullshit.

God does exist but the bible has no special insight about God.

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Heretic

But you get the basic premise I was describing, right? Some can be hooked with the fear line and others with the proof/ego pitch. Still more might be taken in with the "self betterment" route, having been told that [insert religion here] might lead them from wrong doing or worldly suffering.

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itsmeeeeeee

yes. it's definitely a sales pitch and they are "fishing" with their own fear and ego. i suppose SOME might fish out of a genuine concern for the wellbeing of others - but even if that's their motivation, it's still being ego driven in the sense that they think THEIR belief system is the ONLY one that leads to salvation.

regarding "self betterment", i would argue that one's own "conscience" is truly sufficient to motivate this. gandhi stated that god IS conscience - "it is even the atheism of the atheist."

taking that premise a step further, i don't think that one has to believe in a religion to believe in god. because we all are guided by an internal moral compass, and in many cases, religion is used to get around one's conscience. for example, justifying hatred or bigotry via a religion goes against one's conscience - but a religion will give a person license to do it anyway and actually feel "right-eous" about it.

even animals have "moral" compasses. ultimately, it just makes sense from a specie's self-preservation/comfort standpoint to do good. destructive behavior always has negative ramifications somewhere along the line. and that's simply a matter of universal "cause" and "effect" and intellect.

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AuCanada

"I cannot prove that I exist", says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith, I am nothing".

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Comicsartist

I'm still trying to figure out how knowledge became the enemy of faith. Why do they cancel each other out? Why can't knowledge and faith work in tandem?

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Environment Man

They can Comicartist. These atheist evolutionists simply want to remain unwashed and dirty up anything contrary to their mud god.

nroberts

i dont know what you are claiming and dont care. i said what i thought of the article. if u wrote it then i guess ur claiming to have proven gods existence. i didnt think u did though. sorry you didnt like my critique of ur proof

Comicsartist

Again, you seem to fail at reading the other posts. I am NOT claiming to have proof that God exists. I am NOT claiming to know that God exists, and finally, the article is just that: an article. I found the article, I wondered why and how they came to their conclusions, and I decided to post it here. Read the posts before you come in here guns blazing and trying to make it look like I'm trying to prove God using their website.

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Environment Man

Do not get frustrated with nRoberts Comicsartist. He gets too much pleasure from it. I have much proof of God. And I KNOW that God exists. My proof is gravity and electromagnetism. My knowledge of him comes from his creations. Just as the discovery of a clock would be EVIDENCE of the clockmaker, the existence of the atom and the cosmos ARE evidence of the existence of God. Now the atheist evolutionists has chance as his or her god and they present their mud evidence. Yet their dirty evidence does not add up logically and is refuted by the scientific evidence. Life simply cannot spring from inanimate elements. And God clearly made each type of plant and animal an human UNTO ITS KIND.

Comicsartist

No offense eman, but if I get on someone about saying they know God doesn't exist, I would be hypocritical to not get on you for saying you know God does. There is no way to know either way, which is why I started this thread. Common ground, not choosing sides.

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