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Old 12-18-2007, 11:34 AM   #101 (permalink)
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Blasphemy against Jesus Christ may be forgiven but blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and you will not .

Why? and says who? I imagine a god of perfect love would have the capacity and desire to forgive his children. After all, we aren't talking about murder here, just children saying something mean about their parent(s). What parent has not said something mean to their parents, such as "I hate you!" or "I wish you were dead!" And us frail human parents forgive them... Why wouldn't God? Perhaps because parents have always used God as the ultimate "bad cop" in disputes with children. An extension of what we see parents do everyday: "If daddy saw you do that he would tan your hide, so you had better behave yourself for me, or I'll tell daddy when he gets home!" It becomes: "If you don't behave for me, God will find out and you will burn in hell forever..."
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:58 AM   #102 (permalink)
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Why? and says who? I imagine a god of perfect love would have the capacity and desire to forgive his children. After all, we aren't talking about murder here, just children saying something mean about their parent(s). What parent has not said something mean to their parents, such as "I hate you!" or "I wish you were dead!" And us frail human parents forgive them... Why wouldn't God? Perhaps because parents have always used God as the ultimate "bad cop" in disputes with children. An extension of what we see parents do everyday: "If daddy saw you do that he would tan your hide, so you had better behave yourself for me, or I'll tell daddy when he gets home!" It becomes: "If you don't behave for me, God will find out and you will burn in hell forever..."
That whole "Blaspheme the Holy Spirit" thing is the one passage that I really have a problem with in the teachings ascribed to Jesus. It isn't JUST that it seems unreasonable for a God to threaten never to forgive someone over blasphemy, but that he never once tells anyone what this holy spirit thing is. As such, nobody knows...as can be seen by the miriad definitions it's had through history. So you spend all your life going, "Oh no, is that blaspheming the Holy Spirit if I say that??"

It sets up a fear based upon an obscurity and thus renders the person that believes it forever in fear of being permanently brandished "unsavable". Quite frankly, that statement by Christ is probably the single most immoral thing I've ever heard of anyone saying.
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Old 12-18-2007, 12:05 PM   #103 (permalink)
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That whole "Blaspheme the Holy Spirit" thing is the one passage that I really have a problem with in the teachings ascribed to Jesus. It isn't JUST that it seems unreasonable for a God to threaten never to forgive someone over blasphemy, but that he never once tells anyone what this holy spirit thing is. As such, nobody knows...as can be seen by the miriad definitions it's had through history. So you spend all your life going, "Oh no, is that blaspheming the Holy Spirit if I say that??"

It sets up a fear based upon an obscurity and thus renders the person that believes it forever in fear of being permanently brandished "unsavable". Quite frankly, that statement by Christ is probably the single most immoral thing I've ever heard of anyone saying.

Yeah, I feel 100% confident this particular admonition is man-made. No just God would want such a thing.
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Old 12-18-2007, 12:13 PM   #104 (permalink)
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When serfs' lives were so miserable they committed suicide rather than face their life of misery and poverty, it left the feudal lords in a fix for labor.
Soon the church told the serfs that suicide was an unforgivable sin. Coincidence?
When people started to question the ridiculous tenants of the church doubting the scripture became an unforgivable sin.
What's next? Making movies that don't meet with church approval? Tom Hanks you better watch your ass.
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Hollywood IS Satan's West Coast Office.
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Old 12-18-2007, 07:28 PM   #106 (permalink)
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And the White House is his East Coast Office.....For now, anyway.
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And the White House is his East Coast Office.....For now, anyway.
Washington, DC is his East Coast Office. President Bush is Satan's Kryptonite. A Christian president in Satan's East Coast HQ.
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Washington, DC is his East Coast Office. President Bush is Satan's Kryptonite. A Christian president in Satan's East Coast HQ.
I couldn't disagree with you more. Dubya sure does act like a Christian, doesn't he....My ass.
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I couldn't disagree with you more. Dubya sure does act like a Christian, doesn't he....My ass.
Yes he does. He protects this nation under God. And has done very well at it for the last 6 years. Do not be treasonous sir during this time of war.
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Yes he does. He protects this nation under God. And has done very well at it for the last 6 years. Do not be treasonous sir during this time of war.
And you just proved you have rocks in your head instead of a brain.
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