nroberts

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GuitarWizard

Vary interesting loved the pondering of thought's and question's I would like to add though a better description if I may of my understanding of God's character .

I took a quote: You said God thought all of this into existence.

And I'm looking at God's work's in "Genesis" and the act of creation is referred to as action's rather than thought's did God have a thought before the action we can only speculate

It say's.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

It doesn't say he planed it thought abought it -it just say's he did it everything he created was an action it took work to do it so from that aspect he put an awful lot of work into what he made even when he made Adam he personally breathed life into his body.

So for me knowing that he put so much work into life and beyond and being prefect in his wisdom it is highly unlikely that he would want to destroy all of his hard work and more likely that his hard work has another chapter to play in fulfilling his purpose and goal for making such an action to make existence reality for all.

GuitarWizard

And also looking forward in Genesis 1:26

And God said,Let us make man in our image,after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea,and over the fowl of the air,and over the cattle,and over all the earth ,and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

So he actually trust us to care for this world and say's that it is are responsibility to do so as Jesus latter on refers to (Gehenna)meaning if we don't care for the planet and ourself's we will turn the earth into a living hell.

So we have allot of responsibility that we need to be aware of.

nroberts

Well, two things on that. First, thinking isn't easy. A lot of people can't even seem to do it. Using imagination is even harder. And I would say that thinking is an activity.

But yeah, if you take the hard-line approach and just look to scripture to tell you everything then it might be hard to see how he just thought it all into existence. You should keep in mind though that you're talking to someone who doesn't swallow the authority angle, not for man and not for a text. So to just quote scripture as the definition of God kind of leaves me out of the discussion if that's all you can do.

That said, here's the second thing: There is a point in that dialog where the one asks the other what God created everything out of. Unless he just thought it all into existence then there must have been something he made it from. Really, that the conversation went that direction made it more interesting since this fork takes us down a path that usually ends poorly and always causes us to have to leave God behind...since whatever it is that God made the universe out of must have existed already or again...it's just thought into existence. So we then end up having to explain, or at least ask, where this stuff came from and can't say, "God did it," anymore.

Furthermore, the dialog is actually about the moral issues surrounding a creator God. That God thought it all into existence is the only interesting God angle there is. The rest, so far as I have ever seen or thought of, are all intellectual dead ends.

The whole thing is a literary tool anyway. I don't believe in God at all. It actually leaves me more open to be able to contemplate what the word "God" even means.

In the end I guess while I can admire your ability to quote scripture, it really doesn't mean anything to me. For me to accept your text there has to be some reason that I might think it's highly credible, and at this point I don't. In fact, after seeing all the evidence that the text is wrong, on almost all counts, God himself would have some work to do convincing me he actually wrote it or had anything to do with it. We'd probably spend more time discussing the nature of his claim of Godhood.

GuitarWizard

Yea I see your point but if I may clarify my position in me taking scripture as wrighten and worded the way it is ,to me there is a reason for that to convey a certain truth.

For me to add to that would be to put word's in God's mouth so it doesn't really have anything to do with free thinking are imagination on my part but rather representing an accurate description of the "God" in question according to what comes from his word's.

And the reason I say that is because we think ,imagine,and have thought's in a human way to really think outside the box is to say that maybe God doesn't think like we do at all.

Take for example something you might relate to "muscle memory" how many times have you just walked and thought abought something else when you did ?

Well why dont we need a thought to produce an action for body function we have the gift of muti tasking so if we take that gift outside the box and say what if there is an even higher process than what we know of thought's?

What if God has chosen a higher method of computer than the human brain ?were we are flesh what if the physical world we live in has no bounds in the next so by trying to think in are physical understanding what if it is completely different than what we know.

Than are understanding of the world we live in just would not apply to another level of existence because now we live under new laws that dont govern this physical world.

nroberts

Well, it's not like I haven't read the bible. There's not much point just quoting scripture when it's something that anyone can look at and read.

Then he doesn't think. Thinking is something we understand and when I say "think" everyone knows what is meant. If God's "thinking" doesn't fit that description then it's not truthful to call it "thinking".

That doesn't really have anything to do with anything nor does it require a super being to describe why this is so.

GuitarWizard

Sure it's always good to quote scripture does anyone you know including me have the entire book memorized ?

I sure need a refresher every now and again.

And the fact that you pointed out that it's not like you have never read the bible before I wouldn't doubt for one second that you haven't read the bible but I would like to ask you a question.

Did you read it before you started thinking abought wrighting your story ?


Because I think you are a great wrighter and I'm not just blowing smoke up your rear-end but even great wrighter's use reference material to produce a great story.