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Old 12-18-2007, 09:34 PM   #11 (permalink)
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that was way too much for me to read, but i skimmed it.

It does seem that the guise of returning religion ( theirs of course ) to the public square is just a stepping stone to total control.

I don't see a lot of tolerance in the Evangelical community.
They are fanatical in their belief system ( which i don't even pretend to comprehend)
and want total adherence to their principals.

All of which sends up warning signs that these Jesus freaks are more about aquiring power than love thy neighbor.

I've actually heard biblical passages quoted as the reason for policy decisions.
This is anathema to a Progressive like myself who really is not that interested in ideology.
I'm much more interested in pratical solutions to common problems, then whether the solution comes from the left or right.

Wheras the radical right seems more interested in whether any particular problem can be addresed thru their p.o.v.

In other words if it isn't sanctioned by some Christian Authority, the course of action is automatically condemed.

All of which leads me to the conclusion that these orthodox followers are fascists,
and are more interested in spreading their beliefs than governing by consent.
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Old 12-19-2007, 08:04 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I started to read it. It sounds like it's the first chapter from his book, American Fascists: The Christian Right and the war on America. Great book. He puts up a pretty solid argument against the fundies from the "inside", something Harris claims the moderates can't do, and thus does a decent job of defending his own beliefs.
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Old 12-19-2007, 08:08 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Sounds like promoting God and Jesus is not evil. Yet the evolutionist atheists are godless people with any sort of ungodly reality possible.
You seem to think that's some sort of insult? Of course atheists are godless people. Contrary to Christian idiocy, you don't need a God to be a good person.

Furthermore, of course any sort of ungodly reality is possible. What is possible is a greater set of things than what is. This reality we are in currently is but one member of that set of realities that could be. If there are other realities then they are also members of the larger set of realities that could be. All realities that are composed in a set create a subset of realities that could be.
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Old 12-20-2007, 07:11 PM   #14 (permalink)
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You seem to think that's some sort of insult? Of course atheists are godless people. Contrary to Christian idiocy, you don't need a God to be a good person.

Furthermore, of course any sort of ungodly reality is possible. What is possible is a greater set of things than what is. This reality we are in currently is but one member of that set of realities that could be. If there are other realities then they are also members of the larger set of realities that could be. All realities that are composed in a set create a subset of realities that could be.
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