Proof of Creation

Jonesy · 01-03-2008, 07:26 AM

I'm not here to hold your hand and give you cookies. Truth is my guide. If truth is too uncertain for you, do not read my posts.

If you are a religious wacko, do not twist what i'm about to explain. I am not advocating any religions or their fake Gods. The following is merely about proving this universe was created... by a... creator.

My theory is you can find proof in constants. Constants being things like pain, pleasure, fear and reproduction. We find reproduction in the cosmos, as well as in organisms. Can you find a single species devoid of the pain, pleasure, fear, reproduction model? If not, how can you explain this overwhelming evidence of creation? Is it possible not a single other model managed to survive through natural selection? There are multitudes of different species, as created through evolution, the environment and the above model; but the above model is present in all.

Do these constants actually prove creation? How else can these constants be explained?

AuCanada · 01-03-2008, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonesy

I'm not here to hold your hand and give you cookies. Truth is my guide. If truth is too uncertain for you, do not read my posts.

If you are a religious wacko, do not twist what i'm about to explain. I am not advocating any religions or their fake Gods. The following is merely about proving this universe was created... by a... creator.

My theory is you can find proof in constants. Constants being things like pain, pleasure, fear and reproduction. We find reproduction in the cosmos, as well as in organisms. Can you find a single species devoid of the pain, pleasure, fear, reproduction model? If not, how can you explain this overwhelming evidence of creation? Is it possible not a single other model managed to survive through natural selection? There are multitudes of different species, as created through evolution, the environment and the above model; but the above model is present in all.

Do these constants actually prove creation? How else can these constants be explained?

these "constants" only imply that having these characteristics are favorable to survival. nothing more.

Environment Man · 01-03-2008, 07:57 AM

I like your "Constants" postulation. It makes good scientific sense and is logical.

The speed of light, atom, gravity, Periodic Table, stars, magnetism, energy, matter and on and on. All constants. Abundant life on Earth, compared to a complete lack of life on other planets. The constant is that parameters to support life must be so precise and constant that it is unique for as far as mankind can see or hear. And lack of life in arbitrary settings is another constant.

Excellent work Jonesy. Now you have given Eman another tool in his creation science utility belt.

Titanium Cat · 01-03-2008, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Environment Man

I like your "Constants" postulation. It makes good scientific sense and is logical.

The speed of light, atom, gravity, Periodic Table, stars, magnetism, energy, matter and on and on. All constants. Abundant life on Earth, compared to a complete lack of life on other planets. The constant is that parameters to support life must be so precise and constant that it is unique for as far as mankind can see or hear. And lack of life in arbitrary settings is another constant.

Excellent work Jonesy. Now you have given Eman another tool in his creation science utility belt.

All he has done is given you another hole to shit in.

Environment Man · 01-03-2008, 08:07 AM

Just lurking in the Bushes waiting to Leap on the Eman. You are clearly intimidated by the postulation because of your ad hominem.

LeisureChrist · 01-03-2008, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Environment Man;59681. [U

Abundant life on Earth, compared to a complete lack of life on other planets.[/u]

Until you have actually made a thorough search of every other planet in the entire universe, and done so down to a microscopic scale, you cannot expect to be taken seriously with such a blanket statement. But then, your work on this board and the old one stands as testament that you have no interest in being taken seriously.

Environment Man · 01-03-2008, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by LeisureChrist

Until you have actually made a thorough search of every other planet in the entire universe, and done so down to a microscopic scale, you cannot expect to be taken seriously with such a blanket statement. But then, your work on this board and the old one stands as testament that you have no interest in being taken seriously.

People who do not believe in God are NOT serious people so I have no need of their affectations.

NASA has not found ANY life on the Moon or any other planet it has visited. So that is a scientifically established fact. And that supports my postulation. Mars is a particularly glaring example.

Jonesy · 01-03-2008, 09:27 AM

I'd hate to spark another intelligent design debacle. The minds of religious people are.... unhealthy. Incapable of objectivity. Consumed by the fear of pain and the promise of pleasure. Like dogs. They have no real interest in truth. Only in receiving their next milk bone. They never learn... religions are forms of guidance... nothing more. It is up to each individual to accept or reject their guidance.

Back to the subject at foot...

Everything with a brain, unless it has a brain malfunction, uses the same operating system of pain, pleasure, and fear (and their many extensions or derivatives; such as a 'pleasurable' taste or 'painful' smell).

How can there be such a great variety of animals, with brains, but no variety in operating systems? For that matter, why are there only brains or no brains? Couldn't there be some other form of brain that isn't a brain but is like a brain?

How, by natural selection and evolution alone, could there be almost no variety of life-types (plants, animals and viruses/whatever)?

Environment Man · 01-03-2008, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonesy

I'd hate to spark another intelligent design debacle. The minds of religious people are.... unhealthy. Incapable of objectivity. Consumed by the fear of pain and the promise of pleasure. Like dogs. They have no real interest in truth. Only in receiving their next milk bone. They never learn... religions are forms of guidance... nothing more. It is up to each individual to accept or reject their guidance.

Back to the subject at foot...

Everything with a brain, unless it has a brain malfunction, uses the same operating system of pain, pleasure, and fear (and their many extensions or derivatives; such as a 'pleasurable' taste or 'painful' smell).

How can there be such a great variety of animals, with brains, but no variety in operating systems? For that matter, why are there only brains or no brains? Couldn't there be some other form of brain that isn't a brain but is like a brain?

How, by natural selection and evolution alone, could there be almost no variety of life-types (plants, animals and viruses/whatever)?

Leave us alone and make your point.

You just reaaranged your words and made the same points. Natural selection is a very poor designer and builder. Natural selection in reality has on two paths. Survival and extinction. There are not new organs and limbs grown due to natural selection. Each species is finished. That is obvious to ANY observer. A constant if you will.

Brains or no brains is an excellent example. In natural selection some plants should have brains. None do. Another constant.

So besides your perjudice against Christians, your "constants" postulation is another brick in the house of creation science facts.

GurnBlanston · 01-03-2008, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by AuCanada

these "constants" only imply that having these characteristics are favorable to survival. nothing more.

Sounds like a fine "plan."

01-03-2008, 07:26 AM	#1 (permalink)
Jonesy Truth Lion Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,554 Thanks: 10 Thanked 32 Times in 23 Posts	Proof of Creation I'm not here to hold your hand and give you cookies. Truth is my guide. If truth is too uncertain for you, do not read my posts. If you are a religious wacko, do not twist what i'm about to explain. I am not advocating any religions or their fake Gods. The following is merely about proving this universe was created... by a... creator. My theory is you can find proof in constants. Constants being things like pain, pleasure, fear and reproduction. We find reproduction in the cosmos, as well as in organisms. Can you find a single species devoid of the pain, pleasure, fear, reproduction model? If not, how can you explain this overwhelming evidence of creation? Is it possible not a single other model managed to survive through natural selection? There are multitudes of different species, as created through evolution, the environment and the above model; but the above model is present in all. Do these constants actually prove creation? How else can these constants be explained?
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01-03-2008, 07:57 AM	#3 (permalink)
Environment Man Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Catalina Island Posts: 19,983 Thanks: 0 Thanked 37 Times in 33 Posts	I like your "Constants" postulation. It makes good scientific sense and is logical. The speed of light, atom, gravity, Periodic Table, stars, magnetism, energy, matter and on and on. All constants. Abundant life on Earth, compared to a complete lack of life on other planets. The constant is that parameters to support life must be so precise and constant that it is unique for as far as mankind can see or hear. And lack of life in arbitrary settings is another constant. Excellent work Jonesy. Now you have given Eman another tool in his creation science utility belt.
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01-03-2008, 08:07 AM	#5 (permalink)
Environment Man Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Catalina Island Posts: 19,983 Thanks: 0 Thanked 37 Times in 33 Posts	Just lurking in the Bushes waiting to Leap on the Eman. You are clearly intimidated by the postulation because of your ad hominem.
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01-03-2008, 09:27 AM	#8 (permalink)
Jonesy Truth Lion Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,554 Thanks: 10 Thanked 32 Times in 23 Posts	I'd hate to spark another intelligent design debacle. The minds of religious people are.... unhealthy. Incapable of objectivity. Consumed by the fear of pain and the promise of pleasure. Like dogs. They have no real interest in truth. Only in receiving their next milk bone. They never learn... religions are forms of guidance... nothing more. It is up to each individual to accept or reject their guidance. Back to the subject at foot... Everything with a brain, unless it has a brain malfunction, uses the same operating system of pain, pleasure, and fear (and their many extensions or derivatives; such as a 'pleasurable' taste or 'painful' smell). How can there be such a great variety of animals, with brains, but no variety in operating systems? For that matter, why are there only brains or no brains? Couldn't there be some other form of brain that isn't a brain but is like a brain? How, by natural selection and evolution alone, could there be almost no variety of life-types (plants, animals and viruses/whatever)?
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