Religion vs the Religious: Can an "Idea" be inherently evil? - Page 2

Comicsartist · 01-03-2008, 01:09 PM

In regards to policing religion, look at the recent past. Granted, the mormon dude, Jeffries I think it was, got convicted. But, look at the major religion, Catholicism, and tell me how many of the priests were "policed". It seems like the Catholic Church still trumps civil law.

mentor · 01-03-2008, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Comicsartist

In regards to policing religion, look at the recent past. Granted, the mormon dude, Jeffries I think it was, got convicted. But, look at the major religion, Catholicism, and tell me how many of the priests were "policed". It seems like the Catholic Church still trumps civil law.

Religions quite often assume their god's law is above civil law. We see the fall out of this in our courts and in conficts throughout the world.

Environment Man · 01-03-2008, 02:08 PM

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Religions quite often assume their god's law is above civil law. We see the fall out of this in our courts and in conficts throughout the world.

Yet monkey evolution law is the law of the jungle. Clearly beneath God's law and civil law. Throw the bones.

mentor · 01-03-2008, 02:18 PM

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Yet monkey evolution law is the law of the jungle. Clearly beneath God's law and civil law. Throw the bones.

We're being civil... at least on this one thread

The laws of nature are more like the laws of mathematics. They are something we discover rather than invent.

Environment Man · 01-03-2008, 02:24 PM

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We're being civil... at least on this one thread

The laws of nature are more like the laws of mathematics. They are something we discover rather than invent.

I thought we have always been civil. I dare the Mod to show otherwise. Civil discourse is the tool of the gentleman. And Eman has a very big tool.

The LAWS of nature were established by God. The Pagan replaces God with Mother Nature as the sacreligious replace Jesus with Santa.

GurnBlanston · 01-03-2008, 02:42 PM

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Here's a conundrum...Do you think churches should pay taxes?

Only if they engage in business. But this includes daycare, schools, bookstore, etc. Since donations are non-taxable, titing would be exempt...at least under our system.

GurnBlanston · 01-03-2008, 02:43 PM

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I would agree that it is individuals we must hold accountable, not the books they read. Though none would doubt that books have serious influence. Certainly we have the notion of the "bad idea", or "good idea"; we do accredit values to ideas. But ultimately it is a synergy between belief and believer that creates the values.

Standards we hold as universal become confused when looked at through the lens of particular belief systems as exemplified by Sharia Law demanding the stoning of rape victims and other such practices.

It is easy to say that such practices are simply a misinterpretation of the book. But we never say it is a misinterpretation when the outcome seems "good".

Agreed.

GurnBlanston · 01-03-2008, 02:45 PM

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In regards to policing religion, look at the recent past. Granted, the mormon dude, Jeffries I think it was, got convicted. But, look at the major religion, Catholicism, and tell me how many of the priests were "policed". It seems like the Catholic Church still trumps civil law.

And I say again, they are protected by man, not the idea. Those men should persecuted as if they committed those crimes under the color of authority. Like I said, we police the people, not the ideas. A true open society would never stifle free thought no matter how absurd. Now their actions on the other hand....

The_Heretic · 01-03-2008, 04:00 PM

An idea is just like any other tool. It's what you do with it.

GurnBlanston · 01-03-2008, 08:03 PM

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An idea is just like any other tool. It's what you do with it.

Bingo!!!
That statement sums up the entire thread.

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