Originally Posted by God Is Santa for Adults

All the people who backed ID said they could not understand how some things in this world could come to be without a designer. So they believed there must be a designer because there is no other way.

Originally Posted by Duvidoo

There is a lot of really ugly stuff being produced nowadays WITH designers. Maybe it's time for some other ways....

Originally Posted by Environment Man

Faulty premise. Faulty conclusion. Your premise suggests that believers are simply depending on belief instead of proof. You simply reject the proof as proof, whereas in other aspects of your life such proof would be proof enough.

Intelligent Design does not say 'intelligent' for no reason or 'design' for no reason. It is not belief that a car was designed and constructed by designers and engineers. You did not SEE them assemble it in Japan but you normally assume that the car occurred through I.D. You could track it back to its source and watch cars being constructed but you have not done that.

We can track existence back to the Big Bang (Instant) and reasonably conclude that it 'did not just happen.' That is entirely reasonable and scientific. Science itself utilizes assumptions to get to laws. And logic is used when there is no direct factory to see workers putting together the car (we believe in black holes and dark matter though we cannot directly see or verify them).

Originally Posted by God Is Santa for Adults

your proof is Faulty!

I have no idea what happened before the big bang and I'm not going to guess just so I have an answer. Why do you?

Originally Posted by Environment Man

Well in your question lies the seed of disagreement on the premise. That it is a 'guess.' When it is THE ONLY logical and scientific answer. You simply do not LIKE the answer so you obfuscate by saying it is a guess. No. It is your rejection of science and logic regarding this matter because it conflicts with your atheist world view.

Originally Posted by God Is Santa for Adults

I was asked a question the other day that I was almost sure I knew the answer to but after I gave the answer I felt the need to add 'I believe'. The questioner did not say anything about this but it made me think about it for a while. Why did I feel the need to add 'I believe' when I knew my answer was almost certainly true? It had been awhile since I had been asked about the subject and I wasn't completely 100% sure my was answer was true. So in essence I was guessing that my answer was correct and the 'asker of said question' took my answer as fact even though I said 'I believe' not it is fact for sure(like 2+2=4).

My question is why do we humans accept info on belief as fact?
Have we been conditioned to do so?


Yes. Right out of the Womb our Elders feel the need to imprint their belief system(s) onto us.


Is this our brains way of moving on to more important things such as survival?


Yes. I think it's trying to understand our Existance. Being in Awe and Fear of it. Because we do not (either fully or partially) understand why we are here, and why we are aware of BEING.


If religion is a belief, why do we hold it so dear when it is only a guess without verifiable proof?


Conditioning. And Fear of dying.



I just watched a movie on hbo about the dodo bird and ID vs evolution. All the people who backed ID said they could not understand how some things in this world could come to be without a designer. So they believed there must be a designer because there is no other way. (yet they forget we couldn't comprehend earthquakes until recently but that is for another thread)

Again, why do we humans but so much faith in a belief when it is best an educated guess? (and why do I find this subject so fasinating that I keep coming back to discuss?)


Again, Fear of Death, of dying, of it (our lives) being truly over, and this is all there is. The unwillingness, or inability to accept this, should it be a Fact.



Have a great day all!

Originally Posted by God Is Santa for Adults

My science view is quite real and factual.

If you have to say 'I believe', instead of 'I know for a fact', it is only a guess.

so do you think it is inteligent design for the rabbit to eat it's own shit for food?