What would you be doing if you were not religious? - Page 10

Gaia · 01-22-2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by mentor

I believe Eman would become a better, more moral man if he dropped religion. He would take responsibility for his actions and choose wisely regardless of personal benifit or loss.

You think so? I don't.

I wonder...when the Apocalypse Crowd renders this Planet FUBAR, do they think their God's going to say: "Oh well", and make another Earth?

mentor · 01-22-2008, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaia

You think so? I don't.

I wonder...when the Apocalypse Crowd renders this Planet FUBAR, do they think their God's going to say: "Oh well", and make another Earth?

I definitely do. In fact I think all of our moral thought stems from how we perceive what others think of us. We are social animals and rely on each other for moral guidance. The concept of God is in our heads. We are making up our morals as we go along, and we look to each other for approval.

Eman perceives his behavior as moral because there are large numbers of "Christians" telling him that it is. If they did not exist, he would have to look to others for approval, assuming he would eventually tire of chasing goats.

If one thought that rape would be the order of the day without god, they would not live long, for they would soon meet athiests who are forcefully opposed to rape and totally unphased by the demise of the gods. Yes, I think Eman would adapt, and be a better person for it.

But I don't think there is much hope of getting rid of irrational religions, and I do agree that the logical conclusion to their practice is a world ultimately FUBAR.

Environment Man · 01-22-2008, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by LeisureChrist

As a christian, your covenant with the Almighty is through his Son under the dictates of the New Testament. So quit playing the "God was a mean old fucker in the Old Testament" card. Or blow off Jesus and convert to judaism. No pesky, sweet, forgiving, redeeming son of God to get in the way of your manly vengeance lusts.

BTW, did God shit on the mentally ill in the OT? I must have missed that passage.

You do not believe in the Old Testament, God, Jesus or the New Testament, yet you arrogantly seek to use them in a vain attempt to preach to me. Pathetic.

Environment Man · 01-22-2008, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by LeisureChrist

Really? What Will Jesus Do? and what is your source for believing that he will do worse that shitting on the lazy? And frankly, isn't there a world of difference between you shitting on somebody and Jesus doing it? I mean, Holy Crap!

The New TEstament.

Environment Man · 01-22-2008, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaia

Amen!

Nobody likes to be called names. Especially not for their beliefs, or lack thereof.

It is describing behavior not calling names.

Environment Man · 01-22-2008, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaia

Me too.

You have the patience of a Saint, LC. I honestly don't see how you do it!

He is obsessed with converting me to Satan.

Environment Man · 01-22-2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by LeisureChrist

As Merlin said in the film Excalibur, "It's easy to love folly in a child."

I truly do hope to make a real believer out of Eman some day. What he becomes a believer in is up to him. But what he's doing right now is not believing. It's using. It's cherry-picking only the bits and pieces that he feels justify what he wants to do.

He wants me to believe in his god Satan.

Environment Man · 01-22-2008, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by mentor

I believe Eman would become a better, more moral man if he dropped religion. He would take responsibility for his actions and choose wisely regardless of personal benifit or loss.

I reject your advice to reject God.

Environment Man · 01-22-2008, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by LeisureChrist

For some, religion is a crutch. To hold them up when they have trouble standing alone. For others, it is a ladder. To help them reach heights otherwise unavailable to them. Sadly, for some, religion is a shovel. Taking them to depths they would never consider without it.

Your attempts to convert Eman to Satan are futile. And the assistance you are getting from Gaia and Mentor is futile too.

mentor · 01-22-2008, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Environment Man

I reject your advice to reject God.

I reject your reality and substitute it with my own.

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