mentor

It's all murder. If I kill someone on the battlefield, it's still murder. Plain and simple. It's only a question of if and when you can justify murder. Under certain conditions, I can justify it, but one still must live with those choices.

However, I don't consider sluffing off a fertilized egg murder. I don't think it is a human being until it has self awareness. My opinion only.

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Environment Man

Well a million fetuses are slaughtered every year in the USA.

LeisureChrist

So murder is OK if you can call it national interest? I never realized the commandment came with caveats.

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djack

Why don't you show me a writer (outside the bible) who mentioned him? You just KNOW they did I bet.

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PursuitOfHappinessParty

I don't generally butt in, but this line of reasoning....
I'm against capital punishment, but that's a whole other thread.

'National security' I can support, like the Afghanistan war. Peace in the middle east is something for middle-easterns to earn for themselves. If we got off the foreign oil tit tomorrow then nobody in the left or right would care one bit about what happens there anymore than they care about the rest of Africa now. The power struggles there would occupy all the MANY DIFFERENT militant islamist and insurgents, of which the AQ is but a small number. Speaking off the AQ......

Kicking a dog? We had that dog whipped in Afghanistan. Then Bush did the ultimate strategic wartime fuck-up: Changed strategic objectives. We went on a personal vendetta/money pyramid witch hunt in Iraq which HAD zero to do with the war on terror. The terrorists are there now, thanks to us giving them a reason to be. Thanks to us blaming everything in Iraq on the AQ, they now have the best free advertisement to pissed-off clueless teenagers to cull terrorists from. The AQ and every other nutcase hatred filled group with ulterior motives and a claim to Muslim ideals, ideals that mirror what Muslims do just as little as it does 'ours'. Once we leave, they will resume their normal in-fighting. Once off the import oil tit, the U.S. can relegate them to the level of importance they have so often proven worthy of. Zero. That getting off that import oil tit is attainable thru alternative fuel gives you the added bonus of ending the man-caused part of the GW chain as well as helping our internal economy.

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Heretic

The anti-abortion "movement" has never been about saving souls or lives. It's about the imposition of religious beliefs on those they know they'll never otherwise get into their churches. It's just part of the early stage to destroy our Constitution and surplant it with totalitarian theocracy.

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mentor

So are millions of tonsils...

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ImusWallower

i have a problem with this: a newborn is the same, it cannot survive on its own. it is completely dependent on its mother for survival

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ciaobox2007

yeah, so is a 3 year old.

ImusWallower

excellent post. i support women's rights. i support the right for them to use their heads. condoms are very cheap. you can get them for free even. it takes 10 seconds to put one on. there is no excuse for abortion, besides rape and danger to the mother. even then, i am not totally in agreement

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