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Old 02-14-2008, 11:12 AM   #101 (permalink)
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Women and Men DO complement eachother. Always have, always will. What you are talking about (subjugation) is a Powertrip.

No, we do not live as christians. Because we practice what we don't preach.
I am NOT talking about a powertrip. The ONLY way the man can have the ultimate authority in the household is if the woman agrees to GIVE it to him willingly. It is a great expression of love and is in no way negative. Just as the woman should take the name of the man.
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Old 02-14-2008, 11:21 AM   #102 (permalink)
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I am NOT talking about a powertrip. The ONLY way the man can have the ultimate authority in the household is if the woman agrees to GIVE it to him willingly. It is a great expression of love and is in no way negative. Just as the woman should take the name of the man.
And women have learned the hard way, not to be TOO agreeable, as far as men are concerned, because most of all, men love power, and have been known to abuse it.

You sound so archaic with your opinions. Women can keep their own name, if they don't want to take the name of their husbands. There are choices now.
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Old 02-14-2008, 11:27 AM   #103 (permalink)
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And women have learned the hard way, not to be TOO agreeable, as far as men are concerned, because most of all, men love power, and have been known to abuse it.

You sound so archaic with your opinions. Women can keep their own name, if they don't want to take the name of their husbands. There are choices now.
I am a Biblical Christian so it follows that I 'sound so archaic.'

Well a woman is free to NOT marry a man she thinks will abuse the power she gives him. It is her judgment. But hopefully in a good Christian marriage the man as the head of the household will revere his wife and love her as much as if not more than himself and will do anything reasonable to please her. For she will have honored him with her support as he will honor her with his support.

A woman should want to give of herself just as the man wants to give completely of himself. This is NOT Eman's law. It is from God. It is the way he demanded that it should be done. I respect that. Good Christian women do too.
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Old 02-14-2008, 11:37 AM   #104 (permalink)
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I am a Biblical Christian so it follows that I 'sound so archaic.'

Well a woman is free to NOT marry a man she thinks will abuse the power she gives him. It is her judgment. But hopefully in a good Christian marriage the man as the head of the household will revere his wife and love her as much as if not more than himself and will do anything reasonable to please her. For she will have honored him with her support as he will honor her with his support.

A woman should want to give of herself just as the man wants to give completely of himself. This is NOT Eman's law. It is from God. It is the way he demanded that it should be done. I respect that. Good Christian women do too.
Yes, in a perfect world, with perfect people in it, what you describe there, would be wonderful. However, none of us are perfect, we make mistakes, we hurt and betray eachother, and so on. So, it pays, to be cautious.

The best we can do, is be tolerant of eachothers shortcomings.
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Yes, in a perfect world, with perfect people in it, what you describe there, would be wonderful. However, none of us are perfect, we make mistakes, we hurt and betray eachother, and so on. So, it pays, to be cautious.

The best we can do, is be tolerant of eachothers shortcomings.
The essence of marriage is to surrender to each other. To submit to each other. To completely trust each other. In essence to become one flesh. Tolerating each others shortcomings is part of that. But proper roles for the man and the woman in relation to God and Jesus are another part of marriage. Note that the Bible says a man will leave his father and mother to bond with his wife. The couple becomes their own blood relations and create progeny if they are fortunate. You seem to think that subjugating to the man somehow reduces you. It does not. It raises you up. For in Christinity the servant is the highest order.
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Prove it.

God does nothing but extend your circular argument. How did God come into being?
Asciety of course.
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The essence of marriage is to surrender to each other. To submit to each other. To completely trust each other. In essence to become one flesh. Tolerating each others shortcomings is part of that. But proper roles for the man and the woman in relation to God and Jesus are another part of marriage. Note that the Bible says a man will leave his father and mother to bond with his wife. The couple becomes their own blood relations and create progeny if they are fortunate. You seem to think that subjugating to the man somehow reduces you. It does not. It raises you up. For in Christinity the servant is the highest order.
I have found experience to be the greatest teacher.

Trust is a fragile thing, and once broken, it can't be fixed. The very word "subjugation" offends me.

But...to each his/her own.
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I have found experience to be the greatest teacher.

Trust is a fragile thing, and once broken, it can't be fixed. The very word "subjugation" offends me.

But...to each his/her own.
You take the word the wrong way. I tried to define its meaning. You take it as a boss/servant relationship and that is NOT what I am talking about. It is simply recognizing the husband as the head of the household. It is NOT a coercive thing.
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You take the word the wrong way. I tried to define its meaning. You take it as a boss/servant relationship and that is NOT what I am talking about. It is simply recognizing the husband as the head of the household. It is NOT a coercive thing.
I'm just a hardheaded woman

That reminds me of the Cat Stevens Song. Whatta voice!
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I am NOT talking about a powertrip. The ONLY way the man can have the ultimate authority in the household is if the woman agrees to GIVE it to him willingly. It is a great expression of love and is in no way negative. Just as the woman should take the name of the man.
Eww. I already have a name, thank you.

At any rate, I find it suspect that you would be able to see what a partnership is...because you continuously focus on your differences with everyone here.
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